Links and Stuff
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Add to the above list if you can, thank you.
Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins
Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)
Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.
Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.
Telegram Channels
Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.
Pro-Russian
https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ Gleb Bazov, banned from Twitter, referenced pretty heavily in what remains of pro-Russian Twitter.
https://t.me/asbmil ~ ASB Military News, banned from Twitter.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday Patrick Lancaster - crowd-funded U.S journalist, mostly pro-Russian, works on the ground near warzones to report news and talk to locals.
https://t.me/riafan_everywhere ~ Think it's a government news org or Federal News Agency? Russian language.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ Front news coverage. Russian langauge.
https://t.me/rybar ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.
Pro-Ukraine
With the entire western media sphere being overwhelming pro-Ukraine already, you shouldn't really need more, but:
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.
Yesterday's discussion post.
Critical support for Javelins that won't fire for Nazis.
Not everyone in the Ukrainian army is a Nazi. Most of them are forced to dive in the meat grinder and are not allowed to leave the country.
Which is why they should kill the fascist in their unit that's preventing them from surrendering, and then give themselves up asap
I always feel glad when i see footage of Ukrainian soldiers surrendering, well except for Azovstal then i was a bit :sicko-wistful:
Critical support for the German soldier?
The situation in Ukraine hadn't developed to the point where the fascists are de jure in power, and it's not as if this was a war in which the fascists were invading other countries - I suppose you could make an argument that the Donbass republics were kinda that, but it's not quite the same.
I agree that there are comparisons to be drawn here, and that the Ukrainians soldiers should start killing their officers and surrendering en masse (and on that second point, desertions seem to be increasing), but it's not quite the same as the soldiers in Nazi Germany, who knew full well that what they were fighting for was a fascist regime in offensive wars and oppressing minority populations and decided that they liked that, IMO. The fact that it can be convincingly presented as a defensive war against a foreign foe even captured the minds of some anarchists there, though we could argue back and forth as to what extent they're actually anarchists or whatever.
Once the Soviet monuments start getting torn down, the streets renamed to Bandera and Nazi collaborators, anyone paying attention in Ukraine knows what’s going on and who is in charge. Nazis from the Odessa burning and the Maidan were all promoted into high levels of government. Official Nazi battalions were smoothly integrated into the system and their officers promoted to military brass.
Zelenskyy was funded by the same oligarch who created Azov Battalion. He is the liberal face for the Nazi state. Ukraine is a de jure and de facto Nazi state.
very comparable
Yes. :soviet-chad:
They are fighting on behalf of a Nazi junta. You are doing clean Wehrmacht
The Ukrainian situation is quite different from the Wehrmacht thingy. This war is more or less, easily presentable as a defensive war while ww2 was an offensive war of extermination.
And in Ukraine, from what I know Nazis have a significant military and political presence but they're still not in complete control of the government. The Americans still maintain supreme control.
I'd rather blame the Ukrainian soldiers for fighting for Americans stonks rather than for a nazi junta.
American foreign policy is fascist. The Americans being de facto in control also makes Ukraine a fascist state.
Zelenskyy and the so called Ukrainian Liberals and moderates were funded by the creator of Azov.
It’s Nazis no matter how you slice it, and this was no defensive war.
A lot of Ukrainians don't have a choice. You have 17 year olds being conscripted, given less than a week's training, and then sent to the front. Once at the front they have the fascists embedded into their groups to make sure they don't try to surrender or desert. These kids then die pointlessly to Russian artillery in order to prop up a political illusion. These people are as much victims of the Kiev regime as the people of Donbas and I hope at least some of the Kiev government has to answer for these crimes.
They have a choice like any conscript does to go to jail or die. Many of the Wehrmacht were conscripts as well, you are repeating clean Wehrmacht arguments.
Don’t we make this argument with the Vietnam draft all the time? That anyone who didn’t dodge or desert or frag is at least somewhat accountable for the actions of the army they are in, and the state it represents? Are you saying that those who were drafted and served valiantly in Vietnam and are proud of their service aren’t imperialists? Because that’s the equivalent of defending the Ukrainian armed forces.
a 17 year old conscript with a week of training isn't going to be given a Javelin or a phone with internet access.
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The regular forces of UA are all Nazis. Their commanders are Nazis. They have worked, ate, and slept beside Nazis for years.
You are right that the conscripts are not all Nazis... But do you think they hand Javelins to conscripts? Conscripts get 30 rounds for training before being shipped to the front. Do you think they let conscripts have phones with internet access? Not a chance. They would be posting videos of how they are being massacred and videos of being told they will be shot if they surrender or retreat.
A Ukrainian on the front line with a phone and a Javelin is a Nazi
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They couldn't even be arsed to translate the manual to Ukrainian?
:data-laughing:
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That’s just sad, proles killing proles for their porky masters, not even knowing what they are doing :sadness: