I'm applying to jobs constantly, filling out applications like a machine, tailoring each individual submission to the company I'm looking at. I'm getting jobs that just don't say shit, no response, so I follow up and then they suddenly act like they give a shit or they just outright tell me the position is no longer available. I call these places, and I don't get an answer. I email them, and I don't get an answer. This is often leaving me to have to go there in person, only for them to tell me "lolno", and what the fuck is decent about that?
Listen, I understand company managers can be "busy", but is there any shred of decency in you that can make you hold the empathetic viewpoint that maybe people applying for jobs are looking around for jobs constantly? We don't have the time to hunt you down to get a definitive answer. It's no pain to shoot an email or a text and just ring my phone to spare me from some bullshit.
This emotionally daunting process is the worst. It's only made even more horrendous by the fact that I'm trans and need to filter out and avoid jobs that are going to disregard any respect for queer people.
Don't even get me started on jobs that lie on their postings, either by omission or outright. I see this place telling me "This is a full-time position!" when they actually put this shit up, and right before an interview, they email me to clarify that it somehow is explicitly part-time now. This is so fucking insane. Some things like that are literally fucking dealbreakers for me. I don't have the best transportation in the world to be led into the assumption that I can work two separate part-time jobs as easily as some other people could. And obviously, those fuckers that completely omit payment information are the worst.
Every candidate in this shitty capitalist system wants to work to make a living and not give a shit about more than they have to. This stress I'm facing while being unemployed is ultimately worse than any shortcoming I could have that makes these employers not want to consider me.
All I'd really have to say to them is that they have to fucking treat me with basic human decency, respect, and give me access to wages and hours I can keep myself alive with because I'm in a bad spot enough as is. Even if I were in a stable job, I got a ton of other things to work out. Employment is, by no means, a panacea for all I'm going through, but it'll help me get on a path to work towards alleviating pain and distress in other areas.
These companies are merely conveying to me that this system needs to be burned to the ground if bosses are too greedy and disrespectful for the sake of their profits, with them absolutely throwing so many people under the bus when those people can perform the functions of these jobs just as well as any other.
I can't with how picky these motherfuckers are.
but is there any shred of decency in you that can make you hold the empathetic viewpoint that maybe people applying for jobs are looking around for jobs constantly?
nope. hasn't been for at least 30 years. The assclowns that are usually in those positions tend to get jobs through nepotism, never had empathy in the first place, or have been there so long they forget what it's like. Any unicorn decent hiring managers probably have lower turnover so you're less likely to interact with one.
Another great one is where they demand that you're impeccably professional at all times and then the job application is riddled with spelling/grammatical mistakes
Or worse, it's full of corny jokes but they're super elitist and refuse to hire anyone who doesn't have a master's AND 10+ years of experience. So it's like THEY get to play games and waste your time while you're trying to get society's permission to not die of starvation.
This is real, someone actually asked this in a 100% genuine job application form
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It always makes me scream "how is a system like this telling me with a straight face that I am unemployable?"
Is it War Thunder? (a friend I know got asked this for his job at the department of home affairs)
One job I applied for, I told them there was a spelling mistake in their "you have an interview" automated email and they got pissed
Recruiter: hey I have a job for you
Me: ok great send it
Recruiter:
Other recruiter: I have a job for you. Here is the description.
Me: Oh perfect, I meet or exceed every single requirement on this description, and this is also my current job title
Recruiter: we decided to move forward with candidates who are a better match for the role
Me: ok
Recruiter: reposts job a month later
Also the recruiter: sorry, this job that uses your degree got filled (if it really exists). You wanna work in a warehouse for $10/hr?
I have never held a job that wasn't a referral from a friend, family member, or former coworker. Ever. For decades. The whole system is nepotism from the ground up.
I feel for you. In the same boat right now. It's like throwing your resume into a black hole. They say forced labor occurs in other countries. That's here too and we want to work but they're clawing back all the gains and leverage we got during the covid lockdowns by making us desperate and lowering the pay. It takes like two f****** months in an interview process from application to the denial letter. Who has the constitution?
I feel for you, comrade. I've been looking for jobs for more than half a year by now and all I get is denial mails saying the exact same things you mentioned. I remember being told that getting a Master's degree would open all doors for me and that I'd get a super mega great job out of it. Now whenever I get a reply, I'm either too inexperienced, bc I haven't worked yet and "just studied" or they say I'm overqualified for the job, even though my degree makes me the perfect fit for the job. It's not ending, and I don't see it ending any time soon, if ever.
I'm not sure for how long I can still stand this bc it keeps killing me, very slowly and agonizingly.
what if you remove the degree from your resume?
i knew someone who had a philosophy degree it made them basically unemployable. nobody wants a philosopher working under them, but pretending to have been intermittently employed only did the trick.
I've considered that too but afaik there's a rule in my country that you have to prove your work and education history. Omitting something isn't an issue, but to substitute that with anything else would require paperwork that I just don't have. (And my potential employers have a right to ask for said paperwork.)
It's fucked, intentionally so.
ya that what I mean just remove it. if you didn't have any job at all just say you were out of the workforce doing personal things. imagine you were taking care of a sick relative full time but you don't want to talk about it.
Again, not a bad idea, but I'd have to explain away 9 years for both degrees.
Edit: And as someone without any work experience whatsoever, I don't see how omitting the degrees would really help improve my CV.
But you have friends on Lemmy who will gladly vouch for your history of consulting work for them
Recently quit my job and I haven’t even started looking because I know how fucking ass looking for a job is. I’m considering going to a staffing agency just so I don’t have to look.
Me too. I studied my ass off in uni and actually graduated with an insanely high grade but that doesn't seem to mean much to employers. I don't have many acquaintances and those that I do have, weren't able to help me with finding a job. So here I am, sitting on my ass all day and sending applications and getting a bit more insane with each horrible thing I stumble upon. I actually got an offer which I rejected (kind of regret this one) but I had my reasons. I have to relocate to the capital and the fuckers wanted to put me on an 1 month probation period. So suppose I wasn't the one they wanted, would I have to go back after one month? For fucks sake
Looking for work is the worst. I know my current job won't last forever and I'm deathly afraid of having to find another one more or less due to the reasons you mentioned.
It's terrible and I'm sorry you're being ground up by these machines.
I don't know what industry you work in, so this might be irrelevant or obvious, but are you leveraging your "network"? 3 of my 4 last jobs were via referrals from friends and past coworkers.
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Me when i dont have genorqtional qealth and social capital and i wanna get a job
What is it with anglo "culture" and always prioritizing getting other people to do things on your behalf?
"individualists" my ass.
Eh, sometimes it just means texting a former coworker like “Hey man is your new job hiring”
Maybe some people mean that but that's not what most people mean. It's more like "I told Dave I got laid off and he said his team is hiring a role I can do. I sent him my resume and he put me in as a referral".
Parents don't enter into it, and you typically still need to pass the interview.
Generational wealth and social capital are two wildly different things.
One of my first jobs was from my DND DM's girlfriend telling me about her job and putting in a referral for me.
This isn't "hanging out at the yacht club".
If that's the case, then it just makes the death of third places all the more depressing. Like, I could walk into a pub with the idea of it being more open for me to talk to strangers and get a job that way.
New bit: Some of us take one for the team and try to become porkies of our own, but we offer our pitch to investors to recreate third places as "Linkedin but in real life", and to "innovate" we just combine two different third places. Barber Shop/Arcade combo, or a gym and bowling alley (bring back bowling cowards! It's the peoples' golf!)
I had a daydream of running a laundromat pizza shop record shop performing space. Like, you can go in, drop off your laundry, grab a slice, and see a band play. It would be super cool except I don't actually want to run a business.
To your point, the lack of third places definitely stinks. I made a couple friends through Meetup pre-pandemic, and there's a couple board game shops in the city that are just open for hanging out, but it's rare.
Mine was some sort of cafe/cinema/EV charging station pre-radicalization. Now, I'm interested in civil engineering high speed rail stops as some kind of mini-hub. Something like the Paris metro stations but outside.
You don't need generational wealth just start mentioning to everybody you interact with you're looking for a job in whatever industry.
It sucka but its rhe reality, any publicly posted job either fucking sucks or is a lie.
I've been fucking waiting for something like this. 4chan would be so based if it wasn't so cringe.
MFW actual job advice is "have your billionaire friends give you a job out of nepotism. Literally just be a charity case, bro!"
Yea I've done everything "by the books" got a degree in a supposedly valuable field and filled out dozens if not hundreds of applications cumulatively looking for jobs.
Every job I've ever gotten that wasnt explicitly a position where they overwork you and fuck you over until you quit or they fire you for demanding a raise has been knowing somebody who knows somebody at a company that's hiring.
I'm currently working somewhere I applied years ago and got completely ghosted on but this time me and my dad did a job for somebody who knew the owner of the company and that's how I got in.
I literally dont know anybody who sent out a blind application and got a decent job out of it.
What industry are you in?
One of my four jobs as an adult was a cold apply with no connection. Of my peers at work right now, I think four of six were cold applies. But this is software development, so maybe other things are incomparably different.
Engineering got a job out of school on a cold apply but I was working until 4 am sleeping in the office and still didn't get a raise for 3 years so I left.
Moved back home and got a job through a friend of a girlfriend, then a couple shitty jobs in semi related fields through cold applying and then 2 decent engineering jobs from people me and my dad were doing roofs for knew.
When I was in this situation I eventually switched from quality to quantity of applications. I noticed I started getting more calls and interviews because I just had my name out there for more roles.
Recruiters work to monthly KPIs as well so call them and follow up towards the end of the month.
There's also a bump in the middle of the month because job ads are usually up for about 2 weeks
