For me it's anything involving cars or horses, also american football, and sumo, how about anything in general that intentionally harms the players health just by playing?

  • Commander_Data [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Boxing/MMA. There's no reason for two human beings to try to beat one another to death in the name of "sport".

      • MC_Kublai [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        Not a single one of you libs is gonna take my martial arts away from me :nazi-punching:

      • Commander_Data [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        You have the right to think "it's fucking fun" and I have a right to think that means you're someone I don't want to be within 100 feet of.

          • Commander_Data [she/her]
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            2 years ago

            Wanting to do harm to or witness harm done to another for the sake of entertainment is sociopathic.

                • crime [she/her, any]
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                  2 years ago

                  Are we banning fencing too? Cause fencing is also really fucking fun, you're just trying to stab your opponent the whole time

                  • Commander_Data [she/her]
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                    2 years ago

                    With a blunted foil, tons of padding and a mesh face mask. I'm really disturbed by how many people here think violence for entertainment is a good idea. All ethical issues aside, violence is sometimes necessary, and the impact of it is lessened when it's engaged in for entertainment. There is nothing normal or healthy about wanting to watch one human smash another's face in. Let down by this place again.

                    • crime [she/her, any]
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                      2 years ago

                      It's still simulated violence, so if that's your objection to boxing, mma, or other martial arts you should take issue with fencing too. (Also as a former fencer I really wouldn't call it "tons of padding", it's just a jacket that can be surprisingly thin, an extra thin piece of nylon over your sword shoulder and pec, and sometimes a piece of plastic over your rib cage. Getting stabbed hard still leaves huge bruises)

                      With proper protection and awareness I don't think there's anything morally wrong with simulated fighting. All kinds of animals participate in play-fighting too, I don't think two kittens pouncing on each other is morally repugnant either. There's a clear difference between fighting for fun and fighting to maim/kill.

                      Can't remember where, but I was in a really good discussion with some other autistic people about playfighting as a kind of pressure release valve or other sort of stim and a solid handful of us realized that we'd had similar arrangements with friends when we're growing up — for me, a friend and I would take turns using an elbow to smack the other person's elbow until one of us gave up or we got bored. If anything it made me less interested in beating the shit out of someone.

                      As long as all parties are aware of any potential risks, safety measures are being taken, and participants have the ability to withdraw at any point, theres no moral issue inherent to the sport IMO.

                    • jabrd [he/him]
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                      2 years ago

                      I can’t wait to hear these takes resurface the next time someone mentions kink on this site. Spanking is sociopathic and there is nothing normal about wanting to leave a handprint on another person’s ass hahaha. Simulated violence is fun just the same way any adrenaline fueled sport that simulates almost dying is too. It can be done safely and with all involved’s consent. Endorphins are a hell of a drug

                      • Commander_Data [she/her]
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                        2 years ago

                        False equivalence. People don't generally die from or get brain damage from being spanked. And when deaths do occur in the BDSM community, there's universally a manslaughter charge brought, at minimum.

                          • Commander_Data [she/her]
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                            2 years ago

                            To refute the "it's existed for millenia so it's cool and good and normal" argument, it's 100% fair game.

                              • Commander_Data [she/her]
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                                2 years ago

                                I'm not equivocating. All I said was that those were all bad things that humans have done forever. I'm the only one here not advocating for anti-social behavior.

                                "X isn't as bad as rape so I should be allowed to do it" is a hell of an argument.

                                          • Commander_Data [she/her]
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                                            2 years ago

                                            Using violence against another human being in any other context than defense of one's self or others is aberrant behavior. The desire to watch it as entertainment is probably worse. "People have being doing it for years" and "it's a hell of an endorphin rush" are not defenses. People have been doing all manner of terrible things for years and they do all manner of self‐destructive things for an adrenaline rush. If you like to fight or watch fights I think you have an untreated mental illness and no amount of bullying can change my mind. I won't be intimidated or shamed into walking back a single thing I've said. I think you're a danger to me and my loved ones and I do not want to interact with you.

          • DonaldJBrandon [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            I wrestled back in high school, and it's fun as fuck. Combat sports are one of those sports where you have to really dig deep in yourself to face adversity and come out victorious. When you lose, it's on you, and when you win, it's all you. Watching people train their entire lives to lay it all out in the ring for glory is spectacular imo.

    • BolsheWitch [she/her, they/them]
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      2 years ago

      MMA could potentially be reformed / adapted to be closer to wrestling again. boxing is pretty focused on headshots and I don't see how it could be fixed, though.

        • BolsheWitch [she/her, they/them]
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          2 years ago

          I've done both slap and bare knuckle boxing in my past life. There are a lot more body shots in both of them, so you might be onto something

        • DonaldJBrandon [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          Yes in terms of concussions and brain damage the less hand padding the better. Mma is safer than Boxing, bareknuckle is safer than mma

    • Vampire [any]
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      2 years ago

      I support people's right to do edgy shit if they want

      90% of the sports I play are combat sports. Love it all.

    • esjalapeno [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Hand to hand combat should strictly be taught by the military and not advertised at all (assuming we have achieved luxury gay communism of course)

    • CloutAtlas [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Even fighting sports like Greek wrestling?

      Where you're just pinning someone to win not beat them to death? It's more homo erotic than violent (thanks, Greece). Has a low barrier to entry (no fancy gear required, much less classist), reasonable self defence technique as well (you're pinning an assailant down till help arrives, not giving them permanent brain injury). Full body exercise. Did I mention the homo eroticism?