This is probably how roman patricians saw the world or something.

The tweet in question.

  • buh [any]
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    2 年前

    If you ever wonder why libs don’t really care about ICE prisons, this is it

    • Sea_Gull [they/them]
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      2 年前

      Ah yes. Cruel and unusual punishment protections don't apply to American citizens, why should it for anyone else?

  • Lovely_sombrero [he/him]
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    2 年前

    But ONLY the 1st Amendment shouldn't apply to him. The Espionage Act should still apply! I'm very smart, by the way!

    • Anemasta [any]
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      2 年前

      As someone pointed out in replies the first amendment isn't even about citizens and foreigners. It's about which kinds of laws the congress is allowed to make up.

    • edwardligma [he/him]
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      2 年前

      :posadist-nuke: i would just like to freely say death to america

    • Ericthescruffy [he/him]
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      2 年前

      I got banned once from this dumb veterans Facebook group because I went off hard core defending Chelsea Manning.

      The thing I love the most about chuds who go ballistic against Assange/Manning is that they will simultaneously act like they deserve life in prison or outright execution for their exposure of U.S. warcrimes while also doing apologetics for shit like the 'collateral murder' video and claim "welp that's just how war is sometimes".

      None of them ever have a coherent response to the question: "if it's so acceptable or normal...why is the United States government so desperate to hide it and willing to crush anyone who exposes it?"

  • pink_mist [she/her]
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    2 年前

    Can someone explain why Julian Assange can even be charged with espionage and why he is different than any other foreign intel officer?

  • Fishroot [none/use name]
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    2 年前

    good point, i think america should not spread its freedom and democracy globally then

  • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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    2 年前

    Eh, Romans knew in the imperial period that their rights ended when the emperor or someone serving him threatened them, and non-citizens had separate rights. People from outside the empire had no rights inside it. There were still things you couldn't do to them, but the crime was the action you performed, not what they received (e. i. If you ate a foreigner the charge was just eating human flesh, whereas if you hurt a citizen the crime was someone injured a citizen). And in practice the patricians knew no one had rights when they couldn't get a lawyer.

    • Des [she/her, they/them]
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      2 年前

      i'm guessing money could "buy" rights if one was a wealthy non-citizen merchant or some such?

      • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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        2 年前

        If you had money you brought stocky guards with you and they kept you safe. Other privileges could be bribeb into existence, unless dealing with a particularly patriotic Roman, in which case you just found someone else to bribe. If you were wealthy enough and interested, you could try to become a citizen, or make friends with a patrician and have some of their privileges extended to you(not strictly speaking legally but no one could stop you). Or become close to the emperor and then there is no law over you.

  • sellmetherope [comrade/them]
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    2 年前

    It’s like when a drone strike kills an afghan who happens to also be an American dual national.

  • fishnwhistle420 [he/him]
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    2 年前

    And if he was American they’d have a different excuse to do exactly what they want anyway