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  • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Claiming heterosexual marriage is what made Western civilization successful

    I wouldn't say this is true nor would I call it a good thing but there is a nugget of something there

    Hetrosexual monogamy has been a highly effective system of control that keeps people divided while making it even harder for anyone in the lower classes escaping the economic class they are born into

    It obviously wouldn't matter without capitalism or at least feudalism but it supports and preserves those systems by maintaining a status quo

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Plenty of non-western places have heterosexual marriage as the norm and have not been “successful” in the sense that they haven’t conquered the world or looted it - such as African nations or Iran. Dominating the globe has little to do with heterosexual marriage and everything to do with the capitalist imperialist engine.

      Cultural and ideological structures like marriage and family structures are part of the cultural superstructure. They are an effect, not a cause

      • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        Yes, I'm not trying to blame imperialism on enforced hetrosexual monogamy but there are ways that enforcing it made imperialism more palatable to imperial subjects in the core

        When there is only one way to live your life, enforced by the church and the state, it becomes easier to accept arguments from the same church and state that we need to force that way of life on others even if the real reasons for the war and conquest are imperialism

        Monogamy was mostly about the upper class families only having one legitimate heir who takes everything, thus building and maintaining intergenerational wealth. Despite having a single heir, ruling class families are otherwise organized the way a mafia family is

        Polyamorous communal families, including queer ones would provide a direct challenge not only to the preserved status quo but also a potential material challenge to the wealthy families that have historically ruled throughout most of feudal, mercantile and capitalist history

        2 peasants or serfs will remain poor together, 5 or more and you suddenly have options and opportunities that wouldn't exist under enforced monogamy. It's not a revolution but it's the kind of thinking that can easily evolve into revolutionary thought

        Enforced hetrosexuality is mostly about making women into baby factories and raising those babies into soldiers in service of imperialism so that's another way this is related

        Sorry I may have gotten too high and lost my own train of thought

        :stalin-smokin: