https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/23/fda-bans-juul-e-cigarettes-as-us-cracks-down-on-nicotine-products.html

      • medium_adult_son [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Juul is a startup, not a subsidiary of a big tobacco company, right? If so that tracks.

        • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Wait I can't tell if you're joking but it's literally owned by Philip Morris.

          • medium_adult_son [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Nevermind then, I don't know why they'd be favoring one tobacco company over another then. The others must have spent more on lobbying and campaign donations.

            • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              I imagine the intent is a PR-win, since so many middle school kids were smoking juuls back in the day.

              Hard to explain fully though. Either way I have the worst juul addiction of anyone I know so my only plan now is to get thanos snapped out of existence. Tho maybe that's better than dying of a heart attack at 25.

              • Ecoleo [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                It took me a few tries, but I finally managed to quit a couple of months ago. The chest pains were a big motivator, they're completely gone now.

                Just stop now before you find something else to replace it.

                • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  Hahaha I have chest pains too fuck

                  Yeah I need to quit. Good to know you were able to kick it.

    • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      It's explicitly bad lmao

      It's not for public health in any way shape or form, it's literally just because tobacco companies are whining that e-cigs are cutting into profits

      • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Why would they then also be in favor of reducing nicotine in cigarettes, making them essentially worthless?

        Also why would Philip Morris, who has the largest take in Juul, be in favor of banning Juul?

        • StolenStalin [comrade/them,they/them]
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          2 years ago

          Lower nic in each cig means they have to smoke more for the same fix. They sure as shit aren't gonna lower prices because "the govt" 'forced' them to make a shittier product.

              • grisbajskulor [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                Ok yeah. The PR thing seems correct.

                And then also given the other comments here, Philip Morris seems to be trying to position themselves as a "responsible partner" of the FDA. If the FDA says Juul needs to be banned, Philip Morris will take a hit, but will make up the loss from their other brands getting boosted. The reason they need to position themselves as a responsible FDA partner is because they want to be trusted both by the FDA (and somewhat the general public) as the #1 "nicotine quitting" brand, which takes some logical legwork given that they make their money off nicotine.

                I'm not well versed in the machinations of this country but I can see that's kinda how it works..? Idfk.

        • Dingdangdog [he/him,comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Lowering nicotine isn't the same as banning nicotine lol, it'll just make people smoke more

          Also, because they're not making as big of a profit on e-cigs as cigarettes might be the answer, but I'd also be surprised if Phillip morris isn't also the owner of 50 other brands of e-cigs

    • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The government that lost the war on drugs is absolutely going to be successful this time