"The horrors of rich people not getting bailed out"

  • SkingradGuard [he/him, comrade/them]
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    4 months ago

    The capitalist West: "The free market allows businesses to fail, government intervention bad"

    Also the neoliberals: "China not bailing out real estate corporations is evil 1984 commie totalitarianism"

    A very serious ideology.

    • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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      4 months ago

      Yeah I feel like even as propagandized Americans are everyone pretty much knows bailing out everyone in 08 was a massive mistake and we should never do it again.

      • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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        4 months ago

        We literally did it again in 2020, idk what you are talking about about. What do you think 'quantitative easing' is?

        • Adkml [he/him]
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          4 months ago

          If there was any hope for this country burning down businesses that got PPP loans forgiven would have been a nationwide meme.

      • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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        4 months ago

        I saw Jamie Dimon's name in a headline the other day that wasn't about a jail sentence or an obituary. It's incredible his name still has purchase in the world of economics.

      • Adkml [he/him]
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        4 months ago

        "But they paid back those loans with interest" - my mother

        Yea turns out when instead of punishing a company for taking everybody's money you give them a couple billion dollars of free money they can figure out how to make the 1.25% interest payments none of us would ever get.

  • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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    4 months ago

    Isn't that what capitalists say should happen under capitalism? A CEOs take a risk and suffer if it doesn't pay off?

  • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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    4 months ago

    Communists will see property developers being punished for going against the interests of the masses and think “hell yeah”

  • wombat [none/use name]
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    4 months ago

    the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry

    • riseuppikmin [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      Typing this should be one of the requirements for account sign-up.

  • Mokey [none/use name]
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    4 months ago

    China is so cool, im looking into the barrel of a dying planet and a government that does not care about me and even if china is somehow ebil ccp 1984 winnie pooh corruption atleast they did things that i genuinely wish we could do even a fraction here

    Oh no a corrupt government smacked the shit out of the same capitalists that ruined my life here in the states

    • Wakmrow [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      Yeah I'm not like on the China good train at all. But like, every time I point at China doing something good and people here in the US start frothing at the mouth and I'm like affordable housing is good? It's good. You complain about the cost of housing in the US constantly.

      • Babs [she/her]
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        4 months ago

        She was helping MINORS to get HRT!!

        (Anti-communist trans youtuber Keffals used to sponsor a website giving information about DIY HRT. It was the most based thing she has ever done.)

  • SummerIsTooWarm [any]
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    4 months ago

    Do they really belive that it would be good to give property developers a bailout?

    • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      It's CNBC, a news channel by finance bros for finance bros.

      The mere concept that rich people should not be coddled in literally every way imaginable is like hell to them.

      • SummerIsTooWarm [any]
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        4 months ago

        Good point. Imagine how rich people must feel when they get no treats.

    • Adkml [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      Oh were gonna spend billions of dollars bailing out all the people who thought it was a good investment to buy a bunch of rental properties and charge people more for rent than they make in a month.

      Rent can't keep going up 20% every year for too long before something breaks.

      • SummerIsTooWarm [any]
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        4 months ago

        It's really easy, renters can just make more money to pay rent. I don't see any problems with that. smuglord

  • RedQuestionAsker2 [he/him, she/her]
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    4 months ago

    China's speculative real estate market has been insane for decades now. If you've ever visited, you can literally see it. A lot of the projects lose funding midway through and just go half constructed and abandoned for years. Large scale malls that were built in the last 5 - 10 years are just completely empty.

    Really hoping this is an opportunity for crackdown and the government takes it.

    • Flyberius [comrade/them]
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      4 months ago

      I will say that there is a lot of cheap real estate. I can buy a flat that is five times the size of my shoebox sized flat in the UK for a third of the price.

      • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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        4 months ago

        One of the reasons I would love to move there. I can't imagine ever being able to afford my own home here, but over there I actually could, and even if I couldn't, the rent would be far cheaper.

  • the_post_of_tom_joad [any, any]
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    4 months ago

    Once i realized these articles aren't for us, but by and for other capitalists, (with a side benefit of teaching proles apologia) the ridiculous takes started to make way more sense to me.

    • Adkml [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      It's just a much more sophisticated form of making your opponent a wojack and you a Chad

  • Zuberi 👀@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 months ago

    Damn that Chinese housing market sure will come crashing anyyyyyyy day now.

    Also, ignore the lack of housing and food in your 3rd-world-capitalism-party of a country

    • Adkml [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      "China is going to collapse because they have more available homes than people looking for homes" - the country with a massive homeless crisis because it takes 3x average income to rent a 1 bedroom apartment

      • LeZero [he/him]
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        4 months ago

        "Who will build new housing if they punish the real estate developers?"

        Unironic take I've seen on Twitter

    • Beaver [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      But don't you understand, the line is going down! stonks-down porky-scared

    • Adkml [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      China is cheating because they're playing the game on easy mode by being able to watch America enthusiastically shoot itself in the face over and over again to learn what not to do in a modern economy.

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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        4 months ago

        It’s funny because the US can also watch and learn from China as they lay out their agenda very clearly and publicly with deadlines and timetables.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      Not China's fault that Americans are pathologicaly afraid of learning from history because American history is nothing but racism, slavery, and genocide all the way down.

  • allthetimesivedied [they/them, she/her]
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    4 months ago

    I’m not a drug addict spiraling into nothingness—I’m winning my battle against sobriety, and the futility of entropy (I just thought the second thing sounded cool).