a lot of people cite China's historical relationship with drugs as a reasonable pretense for harsh laws against it.
I however, would challenge the CPC to consider such a philosophy in conversation with policy toward Western Missionaries an equally-or-more harmful societal force, and reasses the drug policy in light of the example of missions in China being apparently in check.
There's a tight control over religion as well - an example is how the CPC went full medieval style in nominating their own bishops for their catholic churches instead of letting the Roman Church select them.
yup. we agree here on principle, but we’re also looking at this from a mostly western lense without much of the historical and cultural background involved in China’s policies.
the problem is the implementation of progressive law is not because the government doesn't want to, it's more the social conservatism of the population. When more that half of chinese population was hooked on opium leading to a social collapse, you tend to ''learn the lessons''
but harsh punishment due to drug posession leads to grave consequences. Yunnan province is the biggest drug trading hub and it's also a province with an AIDS epidemy
if not applying death penalties to drug dealers would lead to a public lynching i suppose i'd get it, but is there evidence that thats where the policy originates? that public outrage at druggists is that high?
''if not applying death penalties to drug dealers would lead to a public lynching i suppose i’d get it''
Twofold with the ideas that i find interesting with this comment. Drug dealing is indeed a crime in China where the government try to control drug trafficking with laws and punishment because the population's general opinion on drug is not good.
What is interesting in the case of Drug users in china is that the population don't regard them well neither. This is a vestige of the Chinese socialist society of the 50s-90s
i would say there is no real policy, it's more an retrospection on the 2 opium wars and the outcome, a lot of Chinese values are shaped by historical events (aka how the collapse of traditional value during cultural revolution came back in forces after the market liberalization in the 90s)
the real policy is harsh laws against use and import of drugs.
if this originates in a popular belief and violence within the people its an uncontrovertible policy the CPC has an obligation to promulgate---but i can find no way to confirm this beyond believing every policy in the PRC is dictated by popular will, which is obviously not true.
a lot of people cite China's historical relationship with drugs as a reasonable pretense for harsh laws against it.
I however, would challenge the CPC to consider such a philosophy in conversation with policy toward Western Missionaries an equally-or-more harmful societal force, and reasses the drug policy in light of the example of missions in China being apparently in check.
There's a tight control over religion as well - an example is how the CPC went full medieval style in nominating their own bishops for their catholic churches instead of letting the Roman Church select them.
:some-controversy: investiture? i know her very well!
I’m sure they will eventually. I’d be hesitant to lift the bans as well if I was them.
Kicking out the missionaries fully would set off the imperial core. You can mitigate them with functional education systems anyway.
you can mitigate ills of drugs with education and regulation as well
but uh fuck missionaries all my homies hate missionaries 1000000 dead bible bringers
yup. we agree here on principle, but we’re also looking at this from a mostly western lense without much of the historical and cultural background involved in China’s policies.
in other words kick the fucking missionaries out or legalise some drugs. ideally both
Re-education camps for missionaries but it's just making them smoke bowls until they stop being dorks :stalin-smokin:
the problem is the implementation of progressive law is not because the government doesn't want to, it's more the social conservatism of the population. When more that half of chinese population was hooked on opium leading to a social collapse, you tend to ''learn the lessons''
but harsh punishment due to drug posession leads to grave consequences. Yunnan province is the biggest drug trading hub and it's also a province with an AIDS epidemy
if not applying death penalties to drug dealers would lead to a public lynching i suppose i'd get it, but is there evidence that thats where the policy originates? that public outrage at druggists is that high?
''if not applying death penalties to drug dealers would lead to a public lynching i suppose i’d get it''
Twofold with the ideas that i find interesting with this comment. Drug dealing is indeed a crime in China where the government try to control drug trafficking with laws and punishment because the population's general opinion on drug is not good.
What is interesting in the case of Drug users in china is that the population don't regard them well neither. This is a vestige of the Chinese socialist society of the 50s-90s
i would say there is no real policy, it's more an retrospection on the 2 opium wars and the outcome, a lot of Chinese values are shaped by historical events (aka how the collapse of traditional value during cultural revolution came back in forces after the market liberalization in the 90s)
the real policy is harsh laws against use and import of drugs.
if this originates in a popular belief and violence within the people its an uncontrovertible policy the CPC has an obligation to promulgate---but i can find no way to confirm this beyond believing every policy in the PRC is dictated by popular will, which is obviously not true.
It does seem odd that drugs have such a stronger reaction while 10s of millions died in the Taiping Rebellion around the same time.
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