Difficult to see how they could stop blue states from seceding. Even the private sector is against them. I think this will be bloody and likely will balkanize the USA but I don't think it will be a fash takeover or even civil war.
The military will not just "say no." Military leadership and the security state at large is solidly Liberal. The US is not the only country on earth and I don't think the red states will find many allies.
If the blue states want out there's not really anything the red states could do to stop them, if they'd even try.
All the advantages you're talking about are very temporary. The blue states have production, manpower, and allies. Enlisted military people skew right and independent, but enlisteds don't control the military. The right may want to "expanbd" and they may even try to but blue states would both have nuclear deterrents and all the advantages of long-term-warfare on their side.
You are right that the blue states may just refuse to secede, but if they do, the right won't be able to stop them. Saying it could is just fundamentally not a materialist analysis.
Yeah, it's gonna be a decay of central authority except tax looting for the red states. Bleeding Kansas mixed with a nice little Roman in the 390s flavour.
The question is how they project the force to do that into blue states, and do so without triggering massive strikes and protests they can't control. Doing so would require the full participation of the US military, which is unlikely, and even then it wouldn't work for long. If Chile and Spain could escape fascist dictatorships which were sponsored by a thriving US, what makes you think a collapsing US with virtually no allies rightwing enough to help would succeed?
If Chile and Spain could escape fascist dictatorships which were sponsored by a thriving US, what makes you think a collapsing US with virtually no allies rightwing enough to help would succeed?
The US isn't magic. Capitalism can persist without the CIA's blessing. Just look at Russia, a country that as fully internalized the lessons of neoliberalism without tolerating a DC-based system of control.
I'd also look to Bad Korea, the Philippines, and Singapore. These countries use the institutional weight of wealthy well-recognized families and strong relationships with the local military to maintain control.
All of those countries were directly sponsored at birth by the US. Their most vulernable years, during civil war or following state collapse, were seen through by massive right wing allies. Who is going to sponsor the US right in forcefully reintegrating secessionist states?
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Difficult to see how they could stop blue states from seceding. Even the private sector is against them. I think this will be bloody and likely will balkanize the USA but I don't think it will be a fash takeover or even civil war.
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The military will not just "say no." Military leadership and the security state at large is solidly Liberal. The US is not the only country on earth and I don't think the red states will find many allies.
If the blue states want out there's not really anything the red states could do to stop them, if they'd even try.
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All the advantages you're talking about are very temporary. The blue states have production, manpower, and allies. Enlisted military people skew right and independent, but enlisteds don't control the military. The right may want to "expanbd" and they may even try to but blue states would both have nuclear deterrents and all the advantages of long-term-warfare on their side.
You are right that the blue states may just refuse to secede, but if they do, the right won't be able to stop them. Saying it could is just fundamentally not a materialist analysis.
Yeah, it's gonna be a decay of central authority except tax looting for the red states. Bleeding Kansas mixed with a nice little Roman in the 390s flavour.
By arresting and imprisoning secessionists and killing adherents of the movement.
The question is how they project the force to do that into blue states, and do so without triggering massive strikes and protests they can't control. Doing so would require the full participation of the US military, which is unlikely, and even then it wouldn't work for long. If Chile and Spain could escape fascist dictatorships which were sponsored by a thriving US, what makes you think a collapsing US with virtually no allies rightwing enough to help would succeed?
The US isn't magic. Capitalism can persist without the CIA's blessing. Just look at Russia, a country that as fully internalized the lessons of neoliberalism without tolerating a DC-based system of control.
I'd also look to Bad Korea, the Philippines, and Singapore. These countries use the institutional weight of wealthy well-recognized families and strong relationships with the local military to maintain control.
All of those countries were directly sponsored at birth by the US. Their most vulernable years, during civil war or following state collapse, were seen through by massive right wing allies. Who is going to sponsor the US right in forcefully reintegrating secessionist states?