https://nitter.net/lib_crusher/status/1542523319211008002?t=uR6UW6aje5CFMQBmVHt-EQ&s=19
I've never had a plan that worked, so I don't care anymore.
I'm gonna be the corpse at the center left toward the bottom of the mass grave, that's my plan
No comrade you will be a main gunner in a squadron of liberated tanks under my command as we scour the Kansan wastes for remnants of chud warbands
Difficult to see how they could stop blue states from seceding. Even the private sector is against them. I think this will be bloody and likely will balkanize the USA but I don't think it will be a fash takeover or even civil war.
The military will not just "say no." Military leadership and the security state at large is solidly Liberal. The US is not the only country on earth and I don't think the red states will find many allies.
If the blue states want out there's not really anything the red states could do to stop them, if they'd even try.
All the advantages you're talking about are very temporary. The blue states have production, manpower, and allies. Enlisted military people skew right and independent, but enlisteds don't control the military. The right may want to "expanbd" and they may even try to but blue states would both have nuclear deterrents and all the advantages of long-term-warfare on their side.
You are right that the blue states may just refuse to secede, but if they do, the right won't be able to stop them. Saying it could is just fundamentally not a materialist analysis.
Yeah, it's gonna be a decay of central authority except tax looting for the red states. Bleeding Kansas mixed with a nice little Roman in the 390s flavour.
Difficult to see how they could stop blue states from seceding.
By arresting and imprisoning secessionists and killing adherents of the movement.
The question is how they project the force to do that into blue states, and do so without triggering massive strikes and protests they can't control. Doing so would require the full participation of the US military, which is unlikely, and even then it wouldn't work for long. If Chile and Spain could escape fascist dictatorships which were sponsored by a thriving US, what makes you think a collapsing US with virtually no allies rightwing enough to help would succeed?
If Chile and Spain could escape fascist dictatorships which were sponsored by a thriving US, what makes you think a collapsing US with virtually no allies rightwing enough to help would succeed?
The US isn't magic. Capitalism can persist without the CIA's blessing. Just look at Russia, a country that as fully internalized the lessons of neoliberalism without tolerating a DC-based system of control.
I'd also look to Bad Korea, the Philippines, and Singapore. These countries use the institutional weight of wealthy well-recognized families and strong relationships with the local military to maintain control.
All of those countries were directly sponsored at birth by the US. Their most vulernable years, during civil war or following state collapse, were seen through by massive right wing allies. Who is going to sponsor the US right in forcefully reintegrating secessionist states?
More like conservative states will consolidate total control of multiple states before coming back for the Federal government and doing a constitutional convention.
Becoming one giant super state to own the libs, that is, they are now slaves
Texas is leaving within the decade, and if they don't you win my No-Prize.
somehow they'll be like "states rights!...oh except this one."
although once they dont define the "manner" of the elections, north carolina will say black people can't vote anymore. because the federal govt isnt allowed to do nuffin!
Yes!!! Hillary's finally going to be able to fix this country. :hillary:
OLD MAN FIGHT, OLD MAN FIGHT!!!!
also probly lots of riots tbh
For those of us unfamiliar with US lore, what is an "Independent State Legislature doctrine"?
Unrestricted gerrymandering and voter suppression. Essentially giving states legislature (elected officials, not the state courts) the right to rig elections even more blatantly.
Could bring back that you have to be a property owner to vote or something like hat.
It's a specific doctrine based on the diviniation of the cleric class, that says that Federal Elections are left to the state legislatures to run / facilitate. So far, America has been running their elections with the idea that electoral decisions are "ordinary" political processes, and decisions by the legislative branch in a state can be kept in check by either courts or governors, or whomever they appoint. This means that blatant partisan fuckery is supposed to be harder to get away with, as there are multiple points of failure. Under the independent state legislature doctrine (goat entrail reading), electoral processes are in fact only for the legislative branch of every state to decide.
This would be a bad thing for a multitude of reasons, but the primary one is that Republicans currently have a majority in pretty much all swing state legislatures, hence why they are pursuing this avenue of attack. The theory would allow them to bypass governors, election officials they didn't personally appoint, courts or even state constitutions.
This could be wrong, but I sourced it from here: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/independent-state-legislature-theory-explained
I'm curious on how similar this was to the Nazi Party eventually seizing power
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/wisconsin-republicans-tony-evers-governor_n_62bdd661e4b00a9334e59221
They're going to be in complete control. Even if the opposition gains power, they can effectively neuter it.
I love how it's completely fucking over for wisconsin because they handed Republicans control ONCE during the height of the tea party movement (also a redistricting year). Democrats won 7-8% more votes in the 2018 elections and that resulted in the State Assembly being split 60-30 in favor of Republicans. Just nothing to be done except [REDACTED].
the ability of states to design their own districts has got to be one of the worst flaws in the government. i know the explicit purpose was to minimize working class and black people.
