Love to watch a video that won't let me skip to specific parts in a weird aspect ratio
Genuinely one of the worst features ever added to youtube
especially considering it automatically turns any <1m long videos into shorts, even retroactively. tons of perfectly good videos fucked up by this dumb "feature"
especially considering it automatically turns any <1m long videos into shorts, even retroactively. tons of perfectly good videos fucked up by this dumb “feature”
Nooooo youtubehaiku is in shambles
You just made me double check and I can definitely find non-shorts under a minute. I wonder of the auto-shortifying is something they already changed because it obviously sucked ass, or if there's more to it than just any video under a minute
It wasn't automatic at all. Channels can choose to turn their videos into shorts.
I definitely know a guy who kept trying to upload a normal youtube video under 1 minute long and it just kept making it a short.
Every single website is getting so dogshit lately for some fucking reason. Reddit (as bad as it already was) has a new design which honestly seems like an April Fool's joke. The writing software I use only allows for a single document at a time if you don't have a subscription, when it used to allow up to 5 or 6.
It's garbage from a video making perspective too.
I started making viboe game shorts when it came out because it has a lower barrier to entry than regular YouTube. I quickly got a few videos up to 1000 ish views, and 2 videos got like 15k views. A lot of the videos didn't get shit for views despite being good videos.
My friend told me I should make a TikTok and just reupload the same videos there, since it adds almost no work.
So I did. My TikTok quickly blew up despite spending less time on it. Good videos pretty consistently did well, and not-so-good videos consistently did poorly. People like and reply WAY MORE on the TikTok videos, have discussions, and are generally NICE. YouTube will have 2 snide comments, 1 spam, and 1 "nice shot" per 10 shorts.
I've had several videos get shitloads of views on TikTok+ like 100k, 500k views - people in the comments going nuts, laughing, freaking out, sharing the video, saying it's the craziest shit they've ever seen, and then later remembering and tagging me in other videos they see. I got 4000 followers from one video.
YouTube could give that video like 8 views. 200 views. 800 views. Like nope, nobody's going to like this one. Can't possibly find someone interested in this. You check the chart where it shows how long people watch, and those few people are watching the shit out of the video, because it's objectively great. Nope, 90 views.
It's just a shit platform
They are both shit platforms and luck is the overwhelmingly dominant factor in whether you take off on either of them.
Sure TikTok sucks but YouTube Shorts is a shitty attempt at replicating it. YouTube is much more reliant on its algorithm than on the userbase itself. For that reason it's significantly worse at identifying videos that people will enjoy.
On the user end, once you've used each for a while, TikTok is a lot better at sucking you in because it listens better to what you like, follow and favorite.
People can also follow each other and send direct messages, including sharing videos. And you can see exactly who likes your videos, then check if they make any good content and leave a comment, follow them, etc. Users end up remembering each other. YouTube doesn't facilitate that at all.
Nah they are both just video platforms with machine learning recommendation algorithms. The only difference is youtube some time ago decided to minmax for watchtime in order to monetize it's market position while tiktok is still optimizing for growth. Both are 100% reliant on their userbases providing all the labor in creating content and providing the metrics that drive the algorithms.
I have recommendations disabled on youtube so all of my discovery is through community recommendations and I do not make any videos for which I would check who is liking so whatever point you are making here seems kind of specific to someone who is already a successful tiktok creator. If you had won the algorithm lottery on youtube rather than tiktok I suspect you'd be making the same claims in reverse.
The ability to manually build a followimg is actually more important for a new channel, and falls off once there are just shitloads of people liking your stuff.
TikTok seems to test new videos on your followers first and then when they watch and like the video, it'll branch out further. Well, you can get followers simply by seeing who just liked your video, then if they make videos (and aren't chuds) you like one of their videos and follow them. They'll remember you, follow you back, and start getting recommended your videos. Now you have a bunch of people who have a vaguely good opinion of you and they're seeing your videos, which boosts them to non-followers, who like your video and you repeat the cycle.
They also just comment so much more, like seriously TikTok users are 50 times more likely to comment and 100 times more likely to comment something coherent and positive. Those comments juice the watch time too
And you can literally just DM people your videos. If the videos don't suck they practically never mind, and actually enjoy seeing hand picked videos. They are more patient with videos that are being directly recommended to them, knowing there's probably payoff.
The effort behind YouTube Shorts feels like one step up from Google Plus
The things both tiktok and youtube chose to promote for me is weird. A beetle climbing up a vibraphone and a toy laptop being overclocked, glorious.
Noooo not anything I care about like the inspiron 700m review or the hard drive debacle. Instead promoting my shitposts.
wow it's really cool and fun that any change to a website always takes control away from the user :what-the-hell:
The worst is that they don't have fucking dates on them
- find a short you like
- it has no date
- you can't save it
I still remember back in 2011ish when youtube used to suggest "related videos" which were actually related to the video you were watching at that moment. Instead of random stuff
its another fucking tiktok clone, reddit mobile tries the same shit and they sucessfully invented the worst video player ever
We can complain all we want or we can embrace the future and start brainstorming how to do Hexbear Shorts. For starters, I think we should import the twitter cropping algorithm but make it even worse.
Yeah. I swear to god every image i've ever seen on twitter is like, weirdly zoomed in on a random point so you can't even preview stuff without fully opening it.
We have to develop an algorithm that crops every image in the funniest place possible
yeah it's amazingly shitty, instead of generating a scaled-down version of your image as your thumb, like any other sensible platform would, it attempts to focus on an "interesting portion" and more often than not, fails fucking hard and zooms into a point that makes the thumb unintelligible. Screenshots are the biggest offenders. You think the entirety of the text is going to be shown in your tweet, but nope, twitter zoomed into the screenshot and now your jokey joke doesn't work unless people click on the image.
I need to add that these companies don’t fucking understand what made tiktok so popular in the first place. It’s not just that people want weird scrolling endlessly looping videos.
The reason tiktok works so well mostly comes down to a good algorithm that shows you things you actually want to see, and the other part is that it has easy-ish features for building off of things other people made, like making a video responding to another video, or responding to comments, or duetting with another video, etc.
YouTube Reddit and Instagram just took the front part of that, made it work worse and be uglier, and said “This is what you kids like right? Now you don’t have to go to silly tiktok anymore, you can do it here with your old friend YouTube!”
making a video responding to another video
Youtube used to have this feature but removed it a long-ass time ago for some reason
It lets people respond to obvious propaganda. It's the same reason the thumbs down button was removed.
I'm too old to like tiktok so youtube copying only the objectively bad parts of ₜᵢₖₜₒₖ really fucking sugz
phone-only users are :haram: and have contributed to ruining just about all social media
Remember it’s not the users but the platforms and device makers. No user ever demanded a vertical video with a shitty interface
:capitalist-woke: brings about the innovation of plagiarizing tik tok
You can try NewPipe on Android if that's an option for you. It was having some trouble for a while due to YouTube changes, but it's been smooth sailing recently (so if anyone stopped using it out of frustration, I encourage you to give it another chance!). It's got nice features like ad-free viewing, downloading, background play, subscriptions/playlists without a Google account, a custom resizable picture-in-picture implementation, and a video queue (why the fuck can I only have a video queue in the standard YouTube app if I'm casting?!).
If you're viewing YouTube in your browser, the solution is dead simple: you can use a userscript like this to automatically redirect shorts to the standard player. You can look at the code if you're worried about it doing anything spooky--all it is is a simple URL transformation:
https://youtube.com/shorts/CpCRYKPJUHY
https://youtube.com/watch?v=CpCRYKPJUHY
on desktop i use freetube which is kinda like newpipe
it can skip in shorts by default
YouTube Shorts and Instagram Reels have made me suddenly in favor of stronger intellectual property rights; TikTok should be the only one with this function, the others can’t be trusted with it.
Maybe stronger intellectual property rights but only for companies based in China.
Instagram reels being full of reuploaded tiktoks doesn't surprise me, considering that at some point Facebook's bottom line depended on stolen content from youtube. Anyway I hope they don't enforce intellectual property rights because it will hurt the only IG account I really like, favetitktoks420
In this case when I say IP rights I don’t even mean the copyright over the content on those apps, I mean a patent on the feature itself.
No one besides tiktok should be allowed to just staple an awkward scrolling video feed onto their app.
No one besides Snapchat should have stories (maybe IG can keep them, they’re the only other platform it actually worked for)
Really I just want social media platforms to stop seeing other different social media platforms be successful doing a certain thing and going “We have to do that too!!!”
Competition, it’s bad folks!
there's nothing quite so great as videos just looping for forever. Youtube can stop my video essay or playlist and say "are you still watching? please hit this button to confirm" while I am elbow-deep in a toilet cleaning it out, but just lets the short keep looping for minutes when I dropped my phone behind the bed with no way to stop it. and I hate all the people that try to make the start and the end line up. plus I have to pause it to look at comments, but it tells me how to swipe for more (like I'm ever watching some random one it recommends without being able to see the title), so I have to back out of the video or click it two or three times to get it to stop. and the already bad comment controls(why would I want the video aspect to change when I'm reading comments?) is even worse, with no clear way to navigate it. Plus you can't save them to watch later, so that's fun. Still somehow better than instagram reels.
