Exhibitionism is a product of class society itself and the need for reassurance and knowledge. It is a symptom that is of capitalist society and should be treated as such, not to allow it.
Tell me how homosexuality is bourgeois decadence next
You made me google this and it's actually true that he visited nudist beaches, damn. Quite cool.
Everytime a guy posts a photo on insta showing their abs they're doing a mild capitalism now, if the underwear band is showing it becomes a medium capitalism, and if grey sweatpants are involved it becomes a mega capitalism.
Even if it does come from capitalism, so what? Fucking communism comes from capitalism. Or, less outrageously: movies and TV and the device you're using to post are all rooted in capitalism. Should we ban them in socialist societies?
Exhibitionism is a product of class society itself and the need for reassurance and knowledge. It is a symptom that is of capitalist society and should be treated as such, not to allow it.
I mean not really. For a much milder example here, people post thirst traps on social media showing off their bodies and junk though their underwear all the time, this happens everywhere, it's not just a thing in the west or whatever. Some people like to be seen sexually or doing sexual stuff, regardless of any capitalist society or lack thereof.
I agree with some of what you're saying, I also strongly disagree with the rest of what you're saying. Some people just like to show off sexually towards others. And there's not anything wrong with that as long as it's all consensual. In fact a lot of people would probably enjoy it and do it more if it wasn't for unrealistic messed up beauty standards, societal taboo, etc.
Social media is a product of capitalist society. You don't recognize how what you post is a reflection of the current mode of production in where you live in where imperialism is predominant?
That is true, but some people will still have the desire to be viewed in a sexual manner or observed having sex without capitalism. It existed before capitalism. Some people enjoy showing off their body in varying ways, from a little sexual to extremely sexual, just because they like it. There is nothing inherent to the capitalist mode of production here.
I agree with you on most internet porn though, people are addicted and watch way too much of that stuff. And have really weird libertarian style reactions towards anyone critical of it. Remember that user, who turned out was trying to solicit users though direct messages, throwing a massive temper tantrum when Pornhub removed unverified videos?
Exhibitionism is a product of class society itself and the need for reassurance and knowledge
Sounds like pseudoscience to me.
Try listening to prostitutes
Okay. I have. I've heard a variety of beliefs regarding prostitution and "empowerment" from sex workers, because I actually spoke to them and didn't just watch a documentary and decide it was reflective of all sex workers. Turns out a lot of folks like making porn, as long as they aren't doing it in the awful conditions of the professional industry. Some folks even enjoy prostitution. Others don't particularly enjoy sex work, but prefer it to other forms of labor. Others do hate sex work and the violence they are regularly exposed to, although all of those individuals I've spoken to believed they would be significantly safer if prostitution were decriminalized.
Exhibitionism is a product of class society itself and the need for reassurance and knowledge. It is a symptom that is of capitalist society and should be treated as such, not to allow it.
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I think there is a context where china's choice to make porn illegal is at the very least understandable. I also am sympathetic to the fact that the porn industry is rife with massive exploitation and human trafficking. Including children.
This guy above though is nuts. He has bad opinions about sex in general and doesn't understand that a consenting couple can post a video of themselves (even for money! Oh no!!)
Ultimately I think its fairly obvious that most sex work is done as a result of material circumstances. Like all labor, this makes sex work a kind of slavery. In order to root out the issue of women having to resort to sex work to feed their families (absolutely not a shameful thing to do by the way) we must address the material circumstances of the population. We should not be punitive with people who are trying to support themselves. We should be extremely punitive with pimps though, who are just human traffickers. With legal porn industry, obviously it must be regulated strictly with the wellbeing of the sex worker in mind.
After material conditions are addressed there will remain a subset of the population who still performs sex work, which would be just fine and good if they find that fulfilling. This is my opinion on sex work.
I call back to the Zizek quote where the worst slave owners were the ones you treated their slaves nicely, amateur porn is no exception since you are able to reap the sexual enjoyment without feeling “guilty”. The truth is that you should.
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you should not compare onlyfans to the american slave trade
Do you think imported Asian immigrant class are consensually giving hand jobs to whoever wants a "happy ending". Why do the majority of countries have prostitution illegality, (or look at any socialist country such as the USSR) you'll find your answer.
What if I, a dude according to my genes, take it up the ass from another dude while wearing a dress? I am into that let me assure you.
What if I jerk off with one of those fancy cock sleeves? No one else would be involved. Am I exploiting myself then?
Clearly your take is very reductive and thus bad. Yes lots of women get exploited for porn, no one is arguing otherwise, but not ALL porn is exploitation. It is possible to consent to porn and it is possible to make porn that isn't bad.
Two men having sex on film is the mass enslavement of women. Right. Do you just come up with the most absurd claims you can whenever responding to a post?
Proletarian woman here, the line of thinking you've outlined is reductive, extremely demeaning, and apparently informed by outdated pscyho-analysts instead of actual evidence-based psychology.
Anyway, most socialist countries don’t have this phenomenon of people filming themselves having sex and releasing it
You are completely ignorant. China has a lot of couples who post sex videos. It's not legal, but you don't have to look hard to find a lot of examples.
Edit: how long do we usually give conservative debate bros until we ban them?
There are definitely problems with what they are saying, but this is clearly not what being a "debate bro" is, they are just engaging in argument when challenged. Should they be challenged? Of course, they are wrong in part, but answering that challenge doesn't make them a debate bro.
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A thought experiment:
If two people decide to film themselves having sex and post it online, who's the rapist? Who's being raped?
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Have you ever heard of exhibitionism? Yes, some people like to post videos of themselves. A lot even do it for free!
I think this speaks more about the sex negative attitudes that YOU have internalized.
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Tell me how homosexuality is bourgeois decadence next
i always do feel like this sort of thing is gonna go that way :agony-shivering:
that's almost always a couple dog whistles away
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Apparently the desire to be looked at in a sexual manner or watched doing sexual acts is unique to capitalism lmaooo. No one else does it apparently.
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You made me google this and it's actually true that he visited nudist beaches, damn. Quite cool.
Everytime a guy posts a photo on insta showing their abs they're doing a mild capitalism now, if the underwear band is showing it becomes a medium capitalism, and if grey sweatpants are involved it becomes a mega capitalism.
New Volcel theory just dropped
Comrades, is it counterrevolutionary to want other people to see your genitals? Idk sounds a little bougie to me
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Thanks, Freud.
Even if it does come from capitalism, so what? Fucking communism comes from capitalism. Or, less outrageously: movies and TV and the device you're using to post are all rooted in capitalism. Should we ban them in socialist societies?
Edit: books cancelled for coming from feudalism
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One must never mistake psychoanalysis for psychology. D&G are useful for some things, but psychoanalysis is not reflective of reality.
seriously... imagine being that fucking ignorant. it's like someone quoting alchemy grimoires when arguing about modern chemistry.
I mean not really. For a much milder example here, people post thirst traps on social media showing off their bodies and junk though their underwear all the time, this happens everywhere, it's not just a thing in the west or whatever. Some people like to be seen sexually or doing sexual stuff, regardless of any capitalist society or lack thereof.
I agree with some of what you're saying, I also strongly disagree with the rest of what you're saying. Some people just like to show off sexually towards others. And there's not anything wrong with that as long as it's all consensual. In fact a lot of people would probably enjoy it and do it more if it wasn't for unrealistic messed up beauty standards, societal taboo, etc.
Social media is a product of capitalist society. You don't recognize how what you post is a reflection of the current mode of production in where you live in where imperialism is predominant?
That is true, but some people will still have the desire to be viewed in a sexual manner or observed having sex without capitalism. It existed before capitalism. Some people enjoy showing off their body in varying ways, from a little sexual to extremely sexual, just because they like it. There is nothing inherent to the capitalist mode of production here.
I agree with you on most internet porn though, people are addicted and watch way too much of that stuff. And have really weird libertarian style reactions towards anyone critical of it. Remember that user, who turned out was trying to solicit users though direct messages, throwing a massive temper tantrum when Pornhub removed unverified videos?
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they're also trying to position sex work and human trafficking as being the same thing
They also clearly haven't spoken to either prostitutes or independent porn "stars".
Sounds like pseudoscience to me.
Okay. I have. I've heard a variety of beliefs regarding prostitution and "empowerment" from sex workers, because I actually spoke to them and didn't just watch a documentary and decide it was reflective of all sex workers. Turns out a lot of folks like making porn, as long as they aren't doing it in the awful conditions of the professional industry. Some folks even enjoy prostitution. Others don't particularly enjoy sex work, but prefer it to other forms of labor. Others do hate sex work and the violence they are regularly exposed to, although all of those individuals I've spoken to believed they would be significantly safer if prostitution were decriminalized.
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People do this all the fucking time.
Why?
Is consensual sex a shameful act?
It is if there isn't a remembrance of Stalin
it’s he/hims who are the swerfs every time
I think there is a context where china's choice to make porn illegal is at the very least understandable. I also am sympathetic to the fact that the porn industry is rife with massive exploitation and human trafficking. Including children.
This guy above though is nuts. He has bad opinions about sex in general and doesn't understand that a consenting couple can post a video of themselves (even for money! Oh no!!)
Ultimately I think its fairly obvious that most sex work is done as a result of material circumstances. Like all labor, this makes sex work a kind of slavery. In order to root out the issue of women having to resort to sex work to feed their families (absolutely not a shameful thing to do by the way) we must address the material circumstances of the population. We should not be punitive with people who are trying to support themselves. We should be extremely punitive with pimps though, who are just human traffickers. With legal porn industry, obviously it must be regulated strictly with the wellbeing of the sex worker in mind.
After material conditions are addressed there will remain a subset of the population who still performs sex work, which would be just fine and good if they find that fulfilling. This is my opinion on sex work.
^ well said
Agree with everything you wrote, thanks.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh wow. Shut the fuck up troll.
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you should not compare onlyfans to the american slave trade
Okay I should have read the username, great :bait:
how is their username a bit? I don't get it.
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There are so many contexts where that's not true
Do you think imported Asian immigrant class are consensually giving hand jobs to whoever wants a "happy ending". Why do the majority of countries have prostitution illegality, (or look at any socialist country such as the USSR) you'll find your answer.
No, I don't. You still haven't explained how two people posting a video of themselves having sex online is not consensual.
Edit: how long do we usually give conservative debate bros until we ban them?
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I'm using this an example because your opinion is clearly that all porn, no matter what, is vile and damaging to women and exploitative and rape.
Not a single point in your list says anything at all about consent. Where did the people posting it get raped?
What if I, a dude according to my genes, take it up the ass from another dude while wearing a dress? I am into that let me assure you.
What if I jerk off with one of those fancy cock sleeves? No one else would be involved. Am I exploiting myself then?
Clearly your take is very reductive and thus bad. Yes lots of women get exploited for porn, no one is arguing otherwise, but not ALL porn is exploitation. It is possible to consent to porn and it is possible to make porn that isn't bad.
Yeah, I'm sure posting a video of my husband and I on Twitter would give people a very unhealthy view of women...
Men going their own way. Together.
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Two men having sex on film is the mass enslavement of women. Right. Do you just come up with the most absurd claims you can whenever responding to a post?
Proletarian woman here, the line of thinking you've outlined is reductive, extremely demeaning, and apparently informed by outdated pscyho-analysts instead of actual evidence-based psychology.
You are completely ignorant. China has a lot of couples who post sex videos. It's not legal, but you don't have to look hard to find a lot of examples.
I have created queer porn and sold it for money. I have also previously worked as an escort. I am not ashamed of either of those things.
All of your writing downplays the factual harm that SWERF ideology inflicts on sex workers, in particular women.
To be fair this person has been here since 2020. This is a common point of disagreement on the left, I don't think we should ban this user
Oh, I think we should. They're sexist as hell.
There are definitely problems with what they are saying, but this is clearly not what being a "debate bro" is, they are just engaging in argument when challenged. Should they be challenged? Of course, they are wrong in part, but answering that challenge doesn't make them a debate bro.
The export of British and/or German insanity via imperialism.
Why don't you go ahead and define porn