If you accept that all wage labor is exploitation, does it not follow then that wage labor in sex work is exploitation?
I don't mean to be smug and high and mighty. I watch porn. But still...unless it's two independent amateurs performing under a system where we can accept that their lives do not depend on it...yeah...it's probably bad.
Individual subjects exist, though? We don't need to -- and indeed shouldn't -- always talk about all forms of exploitation all at once.
There is also the fact that the social context of porn is somewhat unique. It's pretty unusual for college guys to get someone intoxicated in order to coerce them into working at a lumber mill, film it, and post it online under false pretenses for ad revenue, with no regard for how the coerced person may have been given long-term physical and psychological harm from the event.
I think that's more of a distinction of how the exploitation is performed or enforced rather than what the act is. We do have similar things that happen for other forms of labor -- IIRC, children that end up enslaved on cocoa plantations are often sold by their parents to human traffickers under false pretenses that they'll receive an education.
The part that I'm really objecting to here is the notion that pornography is categorically bad. It makes as much sense in my mind as saying agricultural labor is categorically bad because of what I described with human trafficking and child slaves. I agree that human trafficking in sex work is distinctly worse than wage labor and that we must do everything we can to make sex work safe for those who wish to engage in it. But if it is taking place in a form similar to wage labor, or the person is just posting it freely because they like doing it, then I don't think it's uniquely worse than anything else.
I trust you but here's where what you said leads: it reminds me of my old days of being an incel rightoid. You can't talk about ANY injustice unless you talk about ALL injustice all at once, because then you'd be a hypocrite. Which I learned is a tactic to shut down uncomfortable subjects.
It's all exploitation yet we act as though we believe there's degrees to it. Why ever talk about Amazon pee bottles? Nobody has unlimited bathroom time.
Saying all porn is rape and you should feel guilty for watching even consensually filmed and posted amateur porn is definitely not SWERF shit, actually
controversial take on super leftist site: porn is exploitative.
If you accept that all wage labor is exploitation, does it not follow then that wage labor in sex work is exploitation?
I don't mean to be smug and high and mighty. I watch porn. But still...unless it's two independent amateurs performing under a system where we can accept that their lives do not depend on it...yeah...it's probably bad.
It is exploitative for the same reasons all wage labor is, which is why it is very suspicious when sex work is singled out.
Individual subjects exist, though? We don't need to -- and indeed shouldn't -- always talk about all forms of exploitation all at once.
There is also the fact that the social context of porn is somewhat unique. It's pretty unusual for college guys to get someone intoxicated in order to coerce them into working at a lumber mill, film it, and post it online under false pretenses for ad revenue, with no regard for how the coerced person may have been given long-term physical and psychological harm from the event.
I think that's more of a distinction of how the exploitation is performed or enforced rather than what the act is. We do have similar things that happen for other forms of labor -- IIRC, children that end up enslaved on cocoa plantations are often sold by their parents to human traffickers under false pretenses that they'll receive an education.
The part that I'm really objecting to here is the notion that pornography is categorically bad. It makes as much sense in my mind as saying agricultural labor is categorically bad because of what I described with human trafficking and child slaves. I agree that human trafficking in sex work is distinctly worse than wage labor and that we must do everything we can to make sex work safe for those who wish to engage in it. But if it is taking place in a form similar to wage labor, or the person is just posting it freely because they like doing it, then I don't think it's uniquely worse than anything else.
I trust you but here's where what you said leads: it reminds me of my old days of being an incel rightoid. You can't talk about ANY injustice unless you talk about ALL injustice all at once, because then you'd be a hypocrite. Which I learned is a tactic to shut down uncomfortable subjects.
It's all exploitation yet we act as though we believe there's degrees to it. Why ever talk about Amazon pee bottles? Nobody has unlimited bathroom time.
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Please tell me how all of the gay furry porn I look at is harming women? I am very interested in knowing this.
Women can't compete with femboy foxes. It's just not fair.
乁[ ◕ ᴥ ◕ ]ㄏ idk what to tell you the free market has spoken
Stop speaking for me. I do not agree with this.
Did the definition of this term just change overnight? I feel like I'm losing my mind . . .
It did not, this dude is just bonkers
Yeah unfortunately it's the internet so I'm guessing a lot of people here are porn addicts, which would explain that.
Been there, it's not healthy.
Some labor aristocrats enjoy making porn, so being against widespread industrialized sexual exploitation makes you a SWERF.
Saying that paying for consent is rape, which by definition rules out sex work completely, does make one a SWERF.
asuming they’re even a feminist to begin w and not just a bigot and anti sex work :agony-minion:
which is a generous assumption
Saying all porn is rape and you should feel guilty for watching even consensually filmed and posted amateur porn is definitely not SWERF shit, actually
yeah what the fuck
So... You didn't read the thread?