For instance, the Civ games are basically Whig History: The Game, presenting liberal capitalism as the ideal end point for all societies. It even includes uncivilized "barbarian tribes" whose sole purpose is to be exterminated so you can take their land for the glory of capitalism.

  • MoneyIsTheDeepState [comrade/them,he/him]
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    2 years ago

    The moment where Kreia takes you aside to say, 'Did you just give that beggar money?! Why do you hate him?' is insufferable.

    Which pales in comparison to the narrative reinforcing her argument - iirc - with the beggar you just gave money to getting mugged and hurt because you gave them money.

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          • Runcible [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            I appreciate the point that one person can't change a world that is so much bigger than them. Directly counter to most video games approach, but important

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          • MoneyIsTheDeepState [comrade/them,he/him]
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            2 years ago

            I never got far enough into Witcher 3 to make heads or tails of it.

            I love cussing and sex - especially sexy sex (no volcel violation intended. This parenthetical is legally binding) - as much as the next guy, but it can start to seem desperate at some point

        • REallyN [she/her,they/them]
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          2 years ago

          there definitely is some both sidesing in those games, but siding explicitly with the elves in the first two games never came off as overly negative or punishing to me.
          I'd still check it out.

          • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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            2 years ago

            Eh it kinda does that liberal “they’re right to be mad but they’re bad for actually fighting back” thing, especially in Witcher 2. Hell that one big YouTuber, Joseph Anderson, came away from it with the opinion that all elves are scum it was so heavy handed lol

    • crime [she/her, any]
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      2 years ago

      At least she's the villain — and wasn't it implied that she was pulling the strings to make it happen, or do i remember it being better than it was?

      • Parzivus [any]
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        2 years ago
        spoiler

        Kreia straight up tells you at the end that she was manipulating you the whole time, essentially to agree with her ideology and kill the force.

      • panopticon [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        That's right. I recently decided to play through it again and like, couldn't stand Kreia's dipshit pseudo-philosophy and even started to wonder why I ever liked this game, but then, oh yeah, she's actually the

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        arch-villain, lol