This is another post that alerted me of this.
https://lemmy.world/post/13287681
And here is the modlog:
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemoveCommunity
Just a quick update, lemmy.world has posted an update that explains their decision here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/16795373
TLDR is that the person who removed the community is fairly new to the mod team and didn't realize there was a bit of a history to this situation. Also, looks like they are sticking with the decision this time around though.
Please don't harass the lemmy.world admins/mods though - if you don't like the situation you are free to register here or on another instance. And if you aren't a lemmy.world user, then this doesn't affect you at all.
I'm proud of our community here, and it's their loss, not ours! *removed externally hosted image*
- updated the link
Guess who just created a second account 👍
Would be nice if there was a Firefox extension or something to 'merge accounts' as a workaround. Make things a little easier in situations like this.
there is Lemmy handshake which syncs your communities on mobile, but welcome to db
Why are people joining .world to begin with? The entire point of this is to decentralize. Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.
Join smaller ones like lemmy.one, lemmy.club, lemmings.world, lemmy.zip etc. We might need to start specifically recommending against .world and for general purpose instances like those.
Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol
Sync had Lemmy.world as the default instance to register a new account (might still be the case, I'm not sure). One of the factors for sure.
So does Voyager, Raccoon, and Eternity. Everything is just defaulting to it and it's infuriating.
Trying to think of any place that didn't/doesn't default to them
Maybe boost? I'm not certain as I logged my first account on liftoff
The dev really needs to change that then.
Perhaps have a system of selecting randomly from a set of hand-picked general purpose instances at sign-up, where having less people gives it a higher chance of being picked (if it's of at least a certain size of course, to prevent spam etc)
The issue is not about the implementation, but the filter: which criteria do you use to select instances that are eligible for the pool of instances? I'm genuinely asking because I think it takes some time to have a look on instances for people to make the best choice.
You're overthinking it. Select a few of the popular ones and be done with it
Joining the by far largest instance beats the entire purpose.
There's kind of a tension here between Lemmy's design and what makes most people join social media websites. Most people want the biggest, most centralized website.
Lemmy.world is also notoriously mismanaged and has had dubious privacy issues in the past, such as their Discord situation regarding user messages
the most similar instance to reddit, culture-wise.
Why would anyone want that? The whole point of being on Lemmy is to get away from Reddit
Some people were forced away from Reddit and don't subscribe to that idea (yet?) - maybe they will understand that after being here for some time, but I know when my reddit app stopped working I just wanted something to fill the void
I think it still has highest number of posts and comments per day or something? It's no longer the highest number in terms of users, but there is some basic metric of activity where hexbear still is quantifiably at the top. But anyway you're right about the quality, that's what's important.
Also, funny how even reddit allows r/Piracy but not .world lol
Imagine being even more of a corporate simp that Reddit lmao
why? because it feels safer to join a big and longer lasting instance than a random one with almost no users. such small instances can vanish from one day to the bext. i once created a account on such a small instance and not even a week later it was wiped from earth, taking my account with it. so it's no wonder people chooser rather bigger instances.
The speed that this happened suggests they might have gotten spooked by something. Put down the pitchforks mates and give them a chance to explain first.
EDIT: Welp, I expected an explanation by now...
EDIT2: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/16795373
Don't you guys have an admin chat group. Or at least you guys would have some way of keeping in touch since this has happened before.
We do, in fact. They never gave a heads-up, and none has responded until now. I found about this from this post
Well at least they honored their commitments /s
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To be fair they do say they "need to be" transparent, not that they were going to be :p
because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.
It's funny because someone on their team started banning people from that thread for disagreeing with their stance then when called out for it they quietly changed the instance bans for community bans, in an awesome display of pure pettiness one would normally see on Reddit.
When I described the previous removal as LW having a feud with dbzer0, that was why.
They've just posted.
It's not a good explanation. The only thing that changed was their own minds.
.world is just the worst parts of Reddit. Even fucking Reddit hasn't banned r/Piracy (yet)
Most of the "communities" are just endless meme reposts like reddit,
Why would Reddit ban it? It's an easy way for them to collect users' IP addresses for their corporate overlords.
The optics of a potentially publicly traded company (what ever happened with the Reddit IPO thing?) openly having a "how to steal other companies copyrighted work" forum is more of a negative than IP farming with no method to actually do anything useful with the IP addresses.
I think Reddit would have to tackle the mountains of porn too for those optics.
Porn is less of a legal liability than copyright claims is my guess.
Also... like... if somebody is dumping money into Reddit as a user of Reddit, which is more likely to make them stop: killing the piracy forums or the porn forums?
It's not about the legal liability and more that publically traded corporations only want profit. Reddit would need to cater to advertisers who would not like all the porn, it's why Tumblr and Imgur removed the porn.
Specifically, the executives and shareholders want their Publicly Traded Shares of company stock to be increasing in value. Advertisers are good for getting long term holders of the stock to keep holding and buying, but everybody else is looking to quietly pump up the numbers and sell what they can without upsetting the apple-cart.
I'd bet a shiny metal dollar that after the IPO starts, the porn subs will slowly start being winnowed down. Give it a few years and if any exist they will be private.
average lemmy.world moment
being the biggest has it's problems
Luckily it doesn't affect anything beyond people who insist on using only one instances (world). Glad to have dbzer0 around.
I have four accounts on the four instances that host communities I am interested in.
It's a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised, but I guess that's the only way federation can really work in practice (especially considering when an instance is blocked user on the blocker side just continue to see it frozen in time, with no warning as to what's going on)
It’s a mild pain and definitely not what we were promised
I think this is precisely what the ActivityPub model of federation promised, actually 😅
You ever get the feeling for a flowchart?
Someone please make one.
Yeah this admin is only 1 month old. So it does seem likely that they weren't around for the last outrage.
If any admins of lemmy.world are around, I created !westcoastedm@lemmy.dbzer0.com for the explicit reason of sharing copyright protected music. Can you ban it too? Wouldn't want to get you guys in trouble with mommy and daddy.
Sigh.
On the up side, if anyone wants in, they are free to create accounts on other instances
The part that annoys me is that this was done silently even though last time they said they would ask their users. Hopefully it was just an admin that didn't get the last memo.
Edit: the community -> their users
I suspect something involving law enforcement or legal. Still would love if LW admins updated on this.
Indeed, especially with 0.19 that allows you to migrate your subs and block lists in two clicks
lmao i don't think their political affiliation is strictly related to how much of a pussy they are in this context
No communist, anarchist, or anyone lefty in general would ban a piracy community — short of getting in legal trouble or something, which is not what happened here.
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lemmy.world stays losing
If we're to have any chance at convincing more Reddit users to join the Fediverse, the main Lemmy and Kbin instances need to stick together. While the piracy community being among the biggest arguably doesn't make for great optics (having a greater variety of communities above the 50k user mark would help bring more users to Lemmy), a fragmented federation only helps Reddit. Beyond that, this community has rules in place to ensure that posts stick to the discussion of piracy, and not piracy itself.
While the piracy community being among the biggest arguably doesn't make for great optics
I'd argue otherwise. It is great optics to have a thriving piracy community. It keeps the corporate boot lickers out, and attracts the kind of crowd that we should want on Lemmy.
While it's great to have a thriving piracy community, it being one of the only thriving ones inevitably makes potential users associate the platform with it and convinces them to either choose another Reddit alternative or simply avoid the inconvenience of switching platforms. While we may disagree with them, the failure of the Reddit blackout demonstrated that they make up the lion's share of users from large communities that have yet to materialize here. Better to have many communities with a diversity of opinions than only a handful of echo chambers.
For me it's about all the subreddits that didn't migrate to Lemmy, and the ghost town feeling caused by only having 55,000 monthly users versus Reddit's 850 million. With Lemmy's active user count slowly dropping instead of rising, everything needs to be done to bring more redditors to Lemmy, whether they are supporters of piracy or not.
before there was reddit there were message boards and these message boards tended to be pretty small and niche. They would have low thousands of users, if that. I don't think having low user counts is something to be afraid of - especially for sites run and paid for by volunteers.
Message boards like that have dedicated userbases for their subject matter though, something that is missing on Lemmy for most subject matters. Since I'd like to be on Lemmy for more than just, for my interests at least, a piracy message board, more users are needed to build interest in communities that weren't promoted by a subreddit.
Nah I wouldn't want Lemmy to attract anti-piracy bootlickers (specially considering why we left Reddit for Lemmy in the first place). This being the largest community is a good filter imo.
Defederation really should be last resort, a lot of admin use it as a first one. (Even dbzer0 censors 187 instances)
Been here since I started Lemmy. It's so normal and well-done.
You're gonna like the way it works. I guarantee it.
