I can't believe this movie came out five years ago and people are still arguing about it, like holy shit you nerds it's a star wars movie just move on with your life
It's funny that TLJ still sparks arguments constantly, but everybody is in agreement that ROS sucked bad. Something to think about is that Empire Strikes Back was also pretty divisive when it came out - which is why I firmly believe that if the third movie had built on and paid off the ideas of TLJ (the way ROTJ did for ESB), the whole trilogy would be remembered more fondly.
The First Order is crippled after the loss of their dreadnought from the Holdo maneuver. Kylo's story arc is about consolidating power, killing those in his way and reaffirming to the galaxy that he is definitely the Bad Guy. Ren's rise is explicitly shown to be bankrolled by people from the casino planet.
The resistance links up with other groups that were inspired by Luke's sudden appearance at the salt planet to fight. Finn, Poe and Rose have a story arc about welding these disparate groups into a new Rebel Alliance. The new Alliance has the opportunity to be bankrolled by war profiteers like the First Order is, but rejects them and declares its intention to establish a new more equitable galactic order.
Rey similarly rejects Luke's conclusion that the Jedi were more damaging to the galaxy than they were good, and links up with non-Jedi force users and re-founds the order. The New Jedi Order is dedicated, not to the protection of the Republic as the previous one was, but to the protection of the people.
The New Rebellion and the New Jedi mass up and travel to where the First Order's fleet is being rebuilt, and there is a big space battle. Rey fights Kylo and wins, and the First Order is destroyed by a bunch of yokels in space ships. During the battle Finn is given the opportunity to sacrifice himself, but remembers what Rose said and chooses not to - and surviving puts him in just the right place at just the right time to fire the shot that actually wins the battle.
Everything set up in TLJ more or less paid off, and I think you could get this all under two hours. People might complain that it's rushed but it wouldn't be nearly as rushed as establishing and paying off a ton of brand new things like ROS did.
You just admitted that it would be rushed necessitating corporate pad it out or make another movie. Since they wanted a trilogy they would pad it out... hey, were back to ROS!
Every single good movie ever made could have been ruined by executive meddling. If executive overreach is fully determined, then no amount of rewrites will prevent it - but my outline provides a path to a satisfying conclusion that could have capped off the sequel trilogy instead of making it worse.
This implies it wasn't obvious that the sequel triology was meddled with excessively by corporate. If were going to ignore Disney being Disney why stop at cramming everything into one last movie?
I can't believe this movie came out five years ago and people are still arguing about it, like holy shit you nerds it's a star wars movie just move on with your life
It's funny that TLJ still sparks arguments constantly, but everybody is in agreement that ROS sucked bad. Something to think about is that Empire Strikes Back was also pretty divisive when it came out - which is why I firmly believe that if the third movie had built on and paid off the ideas of TLJ (the way ROTJ did for ESB), the whole trilogy would be remembered more fondly.
How could they possibly follow that up without making two more movies?
The First Order is crippled after the loss of their dreadnought from the Holdo maneuver. Kylo's story arc is about consolidating power, killing those in his way and reaffirming to the galaxy that he is definitely the Bad Guy. Ren's rise is explicitly shown to be bankrolled by people from the casino planet.
The resistance links up with other groups that were inspired by Luke's sudden appearance at the salt planet to fight. Finn, Poe and Rose have a story arc about welding these disparate groups into a new Rebel Alliance. The new Alliance has the opportunity to be bankrolled by war profiteers like the First Order is, but rejects them and declares its intention to establish a new more equitable galactic order.
Rey similarly rejects Luke's conclusion that the Jedi were more damaging to the galaxy than they were good, and links up with non-Jedi force users and re-founds the order. The New Jedi Order is dedicated, not to the protection of the Republic as the previous one was, but to the protection of the people.
The New Rebellion and the New Jedi mass up and travel to where the First Order's fleet is being rebuilt, and there is a big space battle. Rey fights Kylo and wins, and the First Order is destroyed by a bunch of yokels in space ships. During the battle Finn is given the opportunity to sacrifice himself, but remembers what Rose said and chooses not to - and surviving puts him in just the right place at just the right time to fire the shot that actually wins the battle.
Everything set up in TLJ more or less paid off, and I think you could get this all under two hours. People might complain that it's rushed but it wouldn't be nearly as rushed as establishing and paying off a ton of brand new things like ROS did.
"Under two hours" :porky-scared:
You just admitted that it would be rushed necessitating corporate pad it out or make another movie. Since they wanted a trilogy they would pad it out... hey, were back to ROS!
Every single good movie ever made could have been ruined by executive meddling. If executive overreach is fully determined, then no amount of rewrites will prevent it - but my outline provides a path to a satisfying conclusion that could have capped off the sequel trilogy instead of making it worse.
This implies it wasn't obvious that the sequel triology was meddled with excessively by corporate. If were going to ignore Disney being Disney why stop at cramming everything into one last movie?
No
It's my fault
We've been not moving on with our lives since 1977 and there's no reason to think we're going to move on any time soon.