bonus pronoun secondary effect - i remember at one point when some of us were trying to radicalise some of the r/antiwork crowd (lol), whenever there was mention of hexbear it got people going on about it as "that pronoun site" or whatever and indicating that pronouns have already been having a great additional effect of keeping out (most of) the stupidpol crowd so absolute win/win for the site
This site has spoiled me now when I go to other places I think "damn, wish everyones pronouns were displayed"
it's like losing a sense. I don't understand how you're supposed to know how to refer to people when their pronouns aren't right there. irl, you just ask and put it in your phone but online? idk.
There’s someone effortposting about this in dev chat rn
However, the biggest names in corporate social media and even in the fediverse all continue to relegate pronouns to users’ profile pages, assuming they’re included at all. This makes pronouns more of a symbolic gesture than a practical one. Sure, some people will get into the habit of checking someone’s profile before engaging with them. This has many advantages beyond pronouns as well. But from a design perspective, if you were looking to encourage users to develop the habit of respecting pronouns, hiding them behind a page load and a scroll would not be a viable solution.
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Pronoun tags should be inlined anywhere users are interacting with each other. … Hexbear remains unfortunately unique in this regard, which given how much good we believe the design could do, is not ideal. This is why we’re looking to contribute this feature back upstream in a way that would federate properly. I am still actively looking for websites who have adopted a similar approach, but have only found people who used to be users of LGBTQ forums from the early oughts.
Are we really the only website who does this? Legitimately, I’d love some counterexamples
Edit: I have been informed that LinkedIn does inline pronouns, but you have to opt in by setting your own pronouns
me, remembering the frothing reactionary rage of an extremely vocal segment of the userbase when pronoun tags were added and then made mandatory: :yea:
now imagine reddit trying it.
If there's one thing the early struggle sessions did right, it's getting stupidpol types to fuck all the way off
idk if "stupidpol types" are even a thing that exists anymore, i think they've moved on to more obviously reactionary shit by now
I think they're calling themselves "patsocs" now. but yep. my point was more without the ideological bent of the site, a liberal admin team would have caved to the userbase.
there are still a few, but a lot jumped on the infrared train. one or two of them keep coming back here ban after ban like the pain piggies they are.
They’re still around but in a small number. They show their ass every now and then but mods are good :rosa-salute:
Would the :reddit-logo: backlash be more or less chaotic than if Facebook tried it?
Facebook is trying to SNEAK THIS PAST US
I hereby do not consent to Facebook making changes to MY profile without MY permission
Copy and paste if you agree
Edit: I have been informed that LinkedIn does inline pronouns, but you have to opt in by setting your own pronouns
:michael-laugh: Witness the utter soullessness of corporate fascists.
Oh me? I majored in Neoliberal Design with a focus in Intersectional PR. My pronouns are he/him. This is my associate. She uses they/them pronouns.
And meanwhile, as a trans woman who uses she/her, I get called "they" so fucking often.
It really isn't a matter of people not understanding pronouns, is it? They're fucking up on purpose
The idea that you can’t just look and guess is apparently too inconvenient. Imagine fully expecting to being able to guess a stranger’s name and getting mad when you get it wrong. And yeah, a lot of them do do it on purpose. I feel like you can tell when people do it by accident
You can set pronouns in Zoom so it shows up next to your name on calls, but it's not mandatory.
I thought people were doing that by just changing their display name
At the very least, many are doing that- that's what I do. But it might be that distinct pronouns are also an option, and people like me were just hacking it without realizing that
Mine is still like that but they added the option after a while
Surprised our pet wrecker hasn't commented on this post with their one epic joke (vintage 2015)
:party-blob: nothing can stop us from supporting our trans comrades
idk this meme seems pretty unrealistic. the guy on the left actually has been given a microphone
No everything has to be serious at all times and we cannot find any humor in the absurdity of hell world.
The last time I smiled was on August 19th, 1991. I always wear a dirty ushanka , do not shave, and only take cold sponge baths because hot running water is bourgeoisie decadence. Every day at exactly noon I have the same meal of an expired Maoist MRE I store in a pit covered in old issues of a revolutionary newspaper.
In the evenings I stare at a picture of vodka by candlelight, but I do not allow myself to drink because there is nothing to celebrate. I sleep in a bed made of flags from every failed revolution so that they are never forgotten.
Every local org has banned me after I attempted to split it by assassinating the leadership. Orthodox Marxism requires that true communists purge opportunists whenever they appear. Opportunism is anyone who disagrees with me, drinks fluoride, or owns a smart phone.
My double PHD in marxist economics and 18th century Swiss philosophy (required to understand Engels) sits over the fireplace of my home. My fireplace is a salvaged drum from a 1950s washing machine that was recalled for locking children inside of it. I chose that washing machine model on purpose because I am anti-natalist.
There is no plumbing in my house I shit in a brass bucket with a picture of Gonzalo and Deng french kissing in the bottom of it. My house is actually an overturned T34 in an abandoned junkyard in Wisconsin. I was inside the T34 when it was shipped to Wisconsin and I am the reason the junkyard is abandoned.
I have a single friend in this world and it is a tapeworm named Bordiga that I met after ingesting spoiled borscht on 9/11 in the ruins of building 7 (I blew it up after finding that a nominally leftist NGO inside of it wasn’t sufficiently anti-imperialist, the attacks on the world trade center were a perfect revolutionary moment for me to enact direct praxis against liberalism).
My sole source of income is various MLM schemes in the former soviet bloc that have been running for so long no one remembers who I am, they just keep sending money. I have not paid taxes since McGovern lost the Democratic nomination for president and my faith in electoralism died more brutally than my childhood dog after it got into an entire jar of tylenol.
I own 29 fully automatic rusted kalashnikovs and three crates of ammunition entirely incompatible with them or any other firearms I own. I invented the bat’leth while debating Gene Rodenberry on the dialectical materialism of Posadism. This was, of course, before I was unjustly fired from the production crew of Star Trek for declaring a protracted people’s war against RKO Pictures and setting William Shatner on fire. I continue this liberatory struggle to this day by shipping mail bombs to the Paramount studio lot hidden within packages disguised as edible arrangements addressed to “Gary ‘D. B.’ Cooper”.
During the latest BLM protests I firebombed a Nikes outlet in the middle of a peaceful candlelit vigil. I was briefly contained within Fort Detrick, but cured my long covid with smallpox spores after escaping and returning home.
William F Buckley and I wrote hate mail to one another for 47 years until my final letter gave him an aneurysm. The only water I drink is from puddles. George Lucas and I dropped acid together during an MKULTRA southern baptist summer camp and he went on to write the movie Willow about our time together.
The best way to test whether an electrical wire is live is to drool on it and shrimp salad is racist. You can make an IED out of potassium and the instructions are online thanks to Timothy McVey, who was actually a committed antifascist communist slandered by the deep state as part of operation condor.
Every time a liberal files a restraining order against me, I carve a mark into the wall. I am running out of walls.
When Amerika finally collapses I will be ready to lead the revolution. I am very smart and people like being around me.
I was briefly contained within Fort Detrick, but cured my long covid with smallpox spores after escaping and returning home.
what the fuck how old is this copypasta
I’m going to choose to believe that Hexbear predicted monkeypox because that is uniquely cursed and wouldn’t be the first time someone went rogue with the lathe
All you have to do is imagine the dumbest thing late stage capitalism could do and they already did it 35 minutes ago.
I think some gentlemen in 1945 figured out how to parody fascism pretty well. :tito-chad: :pit:
Small thing, for some reason because I only picked one set of pronouns, it displays on my profile as he/him / none. Bit odd, there should probably just be the ability to tack on as many pronouns as you need rather than specifically everyone getting 2 sets. Obviously there'd need to be a limit to how many get displayed next to the username just for UX reasons, but there could just as easily be a system of like "he/him, they/them, ..." with ellipsis indicating sort of that there's more, and you can move your mouse over for a hover.
I think it was briefly an open text field when they added the feature here, but some shitlibs added slurs and things like “PROUD PATSOC” instead of pronouns.
I like the idea of adding more pronouns though :trans-heart:
Yes such things would need a decent filter to be able to hold stuff for review, so that it doesn't just become :reddit-logo: flairs and remains specifically just pronouns. It's not just about the tools, it's about maintaining a certain site culture, or else these things don't have the intended effect of making people feel welcome
I think the /none on the profile is a bug with how they’re stored. Ideally, infinite pronouns would be the way to go. Or just open text box. However, the most I’ve ever seen was Pixelfed at 4 and it didn’t have e/em, for example, it has e as one and em as another one. So using the standard pair, it’s still only two sets (which I do understand I useful for people who use sets like she/they)
open textboxes will get used as a flair system for memes and jokes, unfortunately
Example: that one transphobe who keeps making “love/loves” accounts, spamming slurs, getting banned, and then posting on their next account “WHY DOES THE ADMINS HATE THE TRANS”
I haven't seen loves in a bit. I figured love'd pop into this thread. it's right up loves alley.
Well a series of textboxes is really how it'd have to work, what with neopronouns and stuff. You just give people, say, up to 20 pronouns (with users being able to specify as many or as few as they like) and each one can be up to idk, 20 characters each, for at most 400 bytes of data per user. As long as it's a fixed amount of data and there isn't any issues with display there isn't really any reason not to. Admittedly my given limits are a little arbitrary, it could just as easily be 30 or 40, but so is the current system.
In a world without reactionaries, an open textbox would absolutely be the way to go. Unfortunately...
I'd almost be tempted to do a dumb deep learning thing just to guess how likely the contents of a textbox are to be a pronoun or not just to make this something moderatable, but ah, coursework.
Some programming subreddit recently added pronoun flairs and someone has
this/selfpronouns, which would probably get flagged as taking the piss but is pretty nifty if you ask meWell the point isn't to make the AI decide whether you're taking the piss, it just decides whether there's a reasonable likelihood you're totally taking the piss (i.e. just writing fuck/off as your pronouns) and holding off on assignment until a moderator manually confirms. Upon doing so, the pronouns are added to a whitelist and it never asks again for that specific set of pronouns.
That would actually be a neat function for an automod to do. You could basically run spam filter heuristics so it can continuously get better
TacticalDude777 <attack helicopter/attack helicopters 🤣🤣🤣>
Everyone laughs at the attack helicopter pronouns until the minigun starts to spin. :stalin-gun-1::stfu-terf:
they didn't laught at my stubby wings anymore when i started firing off the rocket pods
I believe 2 was arrived at because of design constraints. The design accounts for if you have a max length username and two sets of our longest pronouns, it’ll wrap in a way that looks nice
I can definitely understand, sometimes it's easiest to just do things the simple way for webdev rather than make something a huge hassle, and what we have is definitely a vastly superior system to what other websites use.
I was fiddling around checking out the different available pronouns, and now I'm stuck with two pairs and I'm too afraid to ask how to turn it off.
:stalin-stressed:
Leave the second field as none/use name and it will display only the first set
well that's the difference between understanding the issue and confused parroting of talking points
