And freedom of association was quickly, effortlessly withdrawn when it was found convenient to do so. to whit; the police infiltrating every social movement, ever, over the course of the 20th and 21st century, your freedom of speech and association be damned.
Yup. The freedom of speech argument is a really good one to get libs to at least open up to looking left. You have the “freedom” to say something, but if you can’t yield the speech in any meaningful way without being murdered, how much does that freedom really matter.
Exactly. The better the social welfare the more “free” we are. God knows how much of a set back it is for me every time I have to deal with my health or housing or whatever “social welfare” affecting things myself
I think ultimately these things either refer to “freedom” as a incoherent propagandistic ideal that the masses are trained to have a Pavlov response to and go “oh that’s the good one.” Or it’s a dog whistle to exploiters to know it means freedom to exploit. Or a little column a column b.
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Also what the fuck does "personal freedom" even mean? I've tried to get an answer out of chuds before and it's like nailing jello to the wall.
the freedom to exploit others is what bourgeois "property rights" ultimately are. but they never word it that way. No idea why. :blob-no-thoughts:
for a long time racist and discriminatory behavior was defended with dogwhistles like "freedom of association"
And freedom of association was quickly, effortlessly withdrawn when it was found convenient to do so. to whit; the police infiltrating every social movement, ever, over the course of the 20th and 21st century, your freedom of speech and association be damned.
Yup. The freedom of speech argument is a really good one to get libs to at least open up to looking left. You have the “freedom” to say something, but if you can’t yield the speech in any meaningful way without being murdered, how much does that freedom really matter.
Exactly. The better the social welfare the more “free” we are. God knows how much of a set back it is for me every time I have to deal with my health or housing or whatever “social welfare” affecting things myself
I think ultimately these things either refer to “freedom” as a incoherent propagandistic ideal that the masses are trained to have a Pavlov response to and go “oh that’s the good one.” Or it’s a dog whistle to exploiters to know it means freedom to exploit. Or a little column a column b.