In an interview with Christiane Amanpour, President Uhuru Kenyatta claims that homosexuality is not an issue of human rights, but rather of "our own base as ...
To me, this has always been a weird thing in my mind. How do we, as LGBT internationalists, support LGBT causes without creating imperial structures?
I know for certain that in Czechia there is always a backlash when some sort of pro-LGBT thing happens in the EU, they see it as the EU imposing its laws on Czechia (rightfully, this is a bad thing and as communists in Czechia we oppose such things because we believe in autonomy), but I'm also conflicted because it ostensibly does benefit me. I can see making it easier for LGBT people to emigrate away from queerphobic areas, but also doesn't this mean we are leaving certain areas to rot and fester because they won't have any LGBT people to stand up to change things for future generations of LGBT people in that area? I say this as someone that has helped people flee queerphobic areas who were in imminent danger, in my own small way, and also as someone with dual citizenship and benefits from that to have my pick of the litter in where I can go to.
Its a particular contradiction that I feel capitalism and its propaganda have created to fuck with LGBT rights and force it under the liberal, imperialist umbrella, in order to have agents of imperialism in other countries. But it isn't because the LGBT people in those countries are willing agents, they just want better lives and are being forced to work for the liberals due to historical circumstances.
Maybe the best thing is to accept refugees, spread positive propaganda in every possible language... and let it be? I don't know.
What was done in South Africa where the ANC legalised LGBT rights, 10 years before most western countries as well, is honestly the best case scenario for how to go about this kind of thing post revolution. Though societal attitudes are still very bad, at least it legal and no one can report you to the government or anything.
Pity the entire ANC project collapsed as soon as Mandela left and the neoliberals took over.
Yeah it needs to be a home grown movement. But you can support socialist movements more conducive to supporting LGBT rights over those that don't.
The ANC received a lot of external support.
However the reason they passed pro LGBT rights laws is more because they had a once in a generation leader in Mandela, that didn't want to oppress others after being oppressed. Such leadership is very hard to come by.
That's true, but the appointment of Oxford economics educated, AIDS denialist, Thabo Mbeki as president was a massive self own. Still haven't recovered from that honestly.
I think this is a big part of it. A lot of cultures were not particularly anti-LGBT or at the very least had different concepts of gender and sexuality. But the Christianity imposed by the colonial powers completely warped the religious ideologies of the indigenous inhabitants. Decolonization likely has some answers here, I think.
Obviously, not much we can do to help that other than money or something to individuals without doingimperialism. But even that might be bad if allowedgenerally.
I can definitely see barring Christian/other fundamentalists and missionaries from going to Africa. Thats an easy one. But thats a 'stop what we already control' option.
Meh. "Autonomy" in a European country that has never suffered from colonialism is just petty bourgeois nationalism. Like the EU is dogshit but not because it enforces LGBTQ protections.
My unrealistic fantasy for enforcing those protections globally is that sometime in the next few decades, once China's internal market is significantly larger than its export market, they threaten to cut off every country that relies on them for goods and resources unless they agree to abide by a new human rights declaration that includes a right to healthcare, sexual/gender expression, reproductive freedom and freedom from poverty.
Bro we were literally colonized for like 800 years by Germans and had crusades called against us whenever we tried to be independent it's why everyone is atheist
I never said minor. I said it's categorically different to the century-long British rule of India. Nevermind its colonization of the Americas or in East Asia. Would you disagree?
lol. yeah of course, have some prick say 'oh your family living till the age of 30 for 300 years as a documented fact isnt historically bad!' go disengage yourself out a window
To me, this has always been a weird thing in my mind. How do we, as LGBT internationalists, support LGBT causes without creating imperial structures?
I know for certain that in Czechia there is always a backlash when some sort of pro-LGBT thing happens in the EU, they see it as the EU imposing its laws on Czechia (rightfully, this is a bad thing and as communists in Czechia we oppose such things because we believe in autonomy), but I'm also conflicted because it ostensibly does benefit me. I can see making it easier for LGBT people to emigrate away from queerphobic areas, but also doesn't this mean we are leaving certain areas to rot and fester because they won't have any LGBT people to stand up to change things for future generations of LGBT people in that area? I say this as someone that has helped people flee queerphobic areas who were in imminent danger, in my own small way, and also as someone with dual citizenship and benefits from that to have my pick of the litter in where I can go to.
Its a particular contradiction that I feel capitalism and its propaganda have created to fuck with LGBT rights and force it under the liberal, imperialist umbrella, in order to have agents of imperialism in other countries. But it isn't because the LGBT people in those countries are willing agents, they just want better lives and are being forced to work for the liberals due to historical circumstances.
Maybe the best thing is to accept refugees, spread positive propaganda in every possible language... and let it be? I don't know.
What was done in South Africa where the ANC legalised LGBT rights, 10 years before most western countries as well, is honestly the best case scenario for how to go about this kind of thing post revolution. Though societal attitudes are still very bad, at least it legal and no one can report you to the government or anything.
Pity the entire ANC project collapsed as soon as Mandela left and the neoliberals took over.
Thing is with the ANC is it was mostly home grown. That's the difference.
Yeah it needs to be a home grown movement. But you can support socialist movements more conducive to supporting LGBT rights over those that don't.
The ANC received a lot of external support.
However the reason they passed pro LGBT rights laws is more because they had a once in a generation leader in Mandela, that didn't want to oppress others after being oppressed. Such leadership is very hard to come by.
gotta kill all the racists if you want your reconstruction to have sticking power.
That's true, but the appointment of Oxford economics educated, AIDS denialist, Thabo Mbeki as president was a massive self own. Still haven't recovered from that honestly.
oof, never trust a man who went to religious school.
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Death to America
Account is full of fed shit, but this comment’s based as hell
analyze the roots of the homopbobia, figure out where it comes from. fight that. an organized domestic movement is probably the only way.
I think this is a big part of it. A lot of cultures were not particularly anti-LGBT or at the very least had different concepts of gender and sexuality. But the Christianity imposed by the colonial powers completely warped the religious ideologies of the indigenous inhabitants. Decolonization likely has some answers here, I think.
often! and, like, we should do it anyway, so...
Obviously, not much we can do to help that other than money or something to individuals without doingimperialism. But even that might be bad if allowedgenerally.
You cant
I can definitely see barring Christian/other fundamentalists and missionaries from going to Africa. Thats an easy one. But thats a 'stop what we already control' option.
I think we should just bar fundamentalists from existence
Meh. "Autonomy" in a European country that has never suffered from colonialism is just petty bourgeois nationalism. Like the EU is dogshit but not because it enforces LGBTQ protections.
My unrealistic fantasy for enforcing those protections globally is that sometime in the next few decades, once China's internal market is significantly larger than its export market, they threaten to cut off every country that relies on them for goods and resources unless they agree to abide by a new human rights declaration that includes a right to healthcare, sexual/gender expression, reproductive freedom and freedom from poverty.
Czechia has definitely been colonized lmao holy fuck
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Bro we were literally colonized for like 800 years by Germans and had crusades called against us whenever we tried to be independent it's why everyone is atheist
Also it's incredibly fucking insulting that you think Nazi occupation was minor
I never said minor. I said it's categorically different to the century-long British rule of India. Nevermind its colonization of the Americas or in East Asia. Would you disagree?
??? You're comparing 800 years to 100 you are a complete chauvinistic Yankee dog
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Literally had family killed by Nazis prick
Me too, join the fucking club. Also, I asked you not to respond. This is me disengaging. Respect that.
lol. yeah of course, have some prick say 'oh your family living till the age of 30 for 300 years as a documented fact isnt historically bad!' go disengage yourself out a window