To me, this has always been a weird thing in my mind. How do we, as LGBT internationalists, support LGBT causes without creating imperial structures?
I know for certain that in Czechia there is always a backlash when some sort of pro-LGBT thing happens in the EU, they see it as the EU imposing its laws on Czechia (rightfully, this is a bad thing and as communists in Czechia we oppose such things because we believe in autonomy), but I'm also conflicted because it ostensibly does benefit me. I can see making it easier for LGBT people to emigrate away from queerphobic areas, but also doesn't this mean we are leaving certain areas to rot and fester because they won't have any LGBT people to stand up to change things for future generations of LGBT people in that area? I say this as someone that has helped people flee queerphobic areas who were in imminent danger, in my own small way, and also as someone with dual citizenship and benefits from that to have my pick of the litter in where I can go to.
Its a particular contradiction that I feel capitalism and its propaganda have created to fuck with LGBT rights and force it under the liberal, imperialist umbrella, in order to have agents of imperialism in other countries. But it isn't because the LGBT people in those countries are willing agents, they just want better lives and are being forced to work for the liberals due to historical circumstances.
Maybe the best thing is to accept refugees, spread positive propaganda in every possible language... and let it be? I don't know.
What was done in South Africa where the ANC legalised LGBT rights, 10 years before most western countries as well, is honestly the best case scenario for how to go about this kind of thing post revolution. Though societal attitudes are still very bad, at least it legal and no one can report you to the government or anything.
Pity the entire ANC project collapsed as soon as Mandela left and the neoliberals took over.
Thing is with the ANC is it was mostly home grown. That's the difference.
Yeah it needs to be a home grown movement. But you can support socialist movements more conducive to supporting LGBT rights over those that don't.
The ANC received a lot of external support.
However the reason they passed pro LGBT rights laws is more because they had a once in a generation leader in Mandela, that didn't want to oppress others after being oppressed. Such leadership is very hard to come by.
gotta kill all the racists if you want your reconstruction to have sticking power.
That's true, but the appointment of Oxford economics educated, AIDS denialist, Thabo Mbeki as president was a massive self own. Still haven't recovered from that honestly.
oof, never trust a man who went to religious school.
silence, fed. brand new account account posting about violence and inviting people into off-site chats.
lol as if labor law is real. burn down a family dollar near you!
https://hexbear.net/post/211236/comment/2675199
honestly this is the reason i am now okay with political violence. why I just cannot give a shit about random lib lives anymore.
https://hexbear.net/post/211236/comment/2674754
so does anyone have an not-super-tracked resources on 3d printing guns?
https://hexbear.net/post/211276/comment/2675528
so i guess im in favor of burning down tim hortons now.
https://hexbear.net/post/211293/comment/2675400
gotta kill all the racists if you want your reconstruction to have sticking power.
https://hexbear.net/post/211219/comment/2674682
does this have groups/private threads, or are we going to matrix or signal or something?
https://hexbear.net/post/211236/comment/2675473
Death to America
Account is full of fed shit, but this comment’s based as hell
analyze the roots of the homopbobia, figure out where it comes from. fight that. an organized domestic movement is probably the only way.
I think this is a big part of it. A lot of cultures were not particularly anti-LGBT or at the very least had different concepts of gender and sexuality. But the Christianity imposed by the colonial powers completely warped the religious ideologies of the indigenous inhabitants. Decolonization likely has some answers here, I think.
Obviously, not much we can do to help that other than money or something to individuals without doingimperialism. But even that might be bad if allowedgenerally.
I can definitely see barring Christian/other fundamentalists and missionaries from going to Africa. Thats an easy one. But thats a 'stop what we already control' option.
we believe in autonomy
Meh. "Autonomy" in a European country that has never suffered from colonialism is just petty bourgeois nationalism. Like the EU is dogshit but not because it enforces LGBTQ protections.
My unrealistic fantasy for enforcing those protections globally is that sometime in the next few decades, once China's internal market is significantly larger than its export market, they threaten to cut off every country that relies on them for goods and resources unless they agree to abide by a new human rights declaration that includes a right to healthcare, sexual/gender expression, reproductive freedom and freedom from poverty.
Bro we were literally colonized for like 800 years by Germans and had crusades called against us whenever we tried to be independent it's why everyone is atheist
Also it's incredibly fucking insulting that you think Nazi occupation was minor
I never said minor. I said it's categorically different to the century-long British rule of India. Nevermind its colonization of the Americas or in East Asia. Would you disagree?
??? You're comparing 800 years to 100 you are a complete chauvinistic Yankee dog
Me too, join the fucking club. Also, I asked you not to respond. This is me disengaging. Respect that.
lol. yeah of course, have some prick say 'oh your family living till the age of 30 for 300 years as a documented fact isnt historically bad!' go disengage yourself out a window
Colonialism and missionaries have really fucked us over. So much, I honestly cannot believe.
He sounds more progressive than half of American politicians lol
I kind of see where he's coming from, really. What he's saying is that it doesn't really matter what he does or does not believe about LGBT+ rights if the people of the country are unwilling to accept them. Which seems basically right to me. Even if the government says it's cool, decriminalizes it, starts acknowledging gay marriages, and so on, that doesn't mean anything if it's still unsafe to be openly gay around your neighbors. So he's saying that it's not an issue he's able to focus on, regardless of his opinion, because there is such consensus about it among the people.
His point is that the issue is in the culture of the society as a whole, not the laws on the books which themselves only reflect that culture. And that as the culture changes, if it changes, so will the laws.
I don't know anything about this guy, he might be a raging homophobe and general piece of shit. But if so, this particular clip doesn't get that across very well to me.
Legality is still extremely important. It makes it harder to fuck with lgbt people.
thats like saying anti-discrimination laws are not required because most people are racist
more like 'the laws wouldn't be enforced, nobody would care, so why bother spending political capital to do nothing?'
yeah so you legalize it and then you instruct the police to terrorize the bigots. then you fire the entire police and create a new one, and instruct them to terrorize the bigots.
the government has power, you know.
The culture doesn't change until it gets a kick in the ass from outside. They were homophobic for centuries, why would they change unless their culture changed? You think our own culture changed on its own without any outside help? They were still making jokes like "no homo bro" and "that's gay" until about 10 years ago. That didn't happen with "consensus about it among the people", it was done by a relentless agitation by good people who are on the right side of history.
also, a non-zero amount of violence against homophobes. huh. maybe we shouldn't have stopped that?
"from the outside" going mighty unexamined here. If you're not sure what that means, Christiane Amanpour sure is.
People who aren't Kenyan. People who aren't homophobes. People who support the progressive stack.
Joined 4 days ago
gee i wonder why a new account that already has an entry in the modlog would try to create a struggle session pitting first world queers against the third world
The LGBTQ+’s great stumbling block in their stride toward freedom is not the raging homophobe, but the cishet moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with proactively changing the laws”; who parentalistically believes they can set the timetable for another person’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the queers to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.
Wait is this retooled from MLK’s critique of the white moderate or is it from somewhere else?
retooled section of Letter from Birmingham Jail to be gender neutral and about LGBTQ rights
so the solution is to make homophobes and homophobic institutions sites of ultraviolence. bloody and terrible and fucking dangerous.
there's a chic-fil-a in hollywood with about four cops outside it at all times, constantly.
so the solution is to make homophobes and homophobic institutions sites of ultraviolence. bloody and terrible and fucking dangerous.
there’s a chic-fil-a in hollywood with about four cops outside it at all times, constantly.
This account is less than 24 hours old and full of fed shit, but is also editing old comments, so I’m just copy-pasting :)
i am literally alan dulles. not even a ghost, just the actual guy.
