eg “not all men” weirdos
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Edit: to further clarify the example above since it set off some brainworms, this can be seen when people respond to discussions about patriarchy and the way it shapes toxic masculinity with defensive “not all men” statements.
When we discuss systems, we are aware that not everyone who has privilege within them internalizes it the same way.
Men are not somehow evil. Masculinity is not somehow evil. Feminism is about liberation of everyone from patriarchy. The issue is that you can wind up needing to “protect” or cater to very fragile expectations of individuals and that can sometimes wind up recentering discussion on purely men and their feelings about patriarchy.
That is an important aspect of the discussion, but it cannot be the only one. Given that one of the patriarchal behaviors that many men are taught is to talk over anyone who is not a man, space must be intentionally created for others.
Anyway, this would be better covered in a dedicated effort post on feminism and positive masculinity.
This is however a meme featuring Josie and the pussy cats with a comments section that proves the meme is accurate lol
where did I say any of those things? Also conservatives do, in fact, suck
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Have you ever had to actually organize with conservatives? Some of them have no issue putting aside culture war shit in order to negotiate better wages, but some of them actively disrupt meetings and alienate other coworkers because they won’t shut the fuck up about the gay agenda. And yeah, those people suck.
That's when you tell them to shut the fuck up and realise they're wrecking.
That's why you have to approach them, speak with them like they're people, and help them develop proper consciousness.
You also do the same with progressives starting shit as well.
Oh thank you for the long-forgotten wisdom of “if you want to organize, you have to talk to people and learn about them”. I’d never thought about that before. I was just going around chastising all my coworkers who are men for existing. No wonder it hasn’t been working out!
I have spent my entire life with almost exclusively Conservatives and Libertarians whose politics center around Lost Cause mythology and Manifest Destiny. They're fascists who won't admit it to themselves.
What you're saying we need to do, does not work on these people. They un-learn anything you teach them, and they want a fundamentally different kind of world than I do. To get them even to stop opposing pro-human policy, you have to change their misanthropic worldview at a very fundamental level
This post isn't condemning their morality, it's asking them to reflect on why they feel personally attacked by systemic critiques
lmao tailist
Lmao person who has imagined what tailism is.
Worshipping the proletariat as is, as a concept, and thinking that any understanding of society that they wouldn't like is bad or counterproductive is tailism.
Conservatism sucks. White fragility sucks. The fact that some members of the proletariat are conservative or fragile white babies does not change that.
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if someone is too reactionary and brainwormed to view the rights of marginalized people as worth fighting for, then they’re useless to any broader socialist movements.
to put it simply, we have no obligation to include those who wish for our extermination.