• AcidSmiley [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    If you're not a clown, you do not end up as Antideutscher. The entire movement shows poignantly what happens when you try to engage with antifascism entirely within a completely co-opted liberal framework that never looks at the materialist root causes of fascism, actively refuses to consider the influence of colonialism on the holocaust and never dares to question the moral superiority of the USA. No, seriously, these clowns worship AmeriKKKa. You can't be a leftist while stanning that fascist nation, it's just not possible. But these people try anyway because America was accidentally opposed to the nazis for 3 or 4 years at some point. They are so indoctrinated with anti-soviet propaganda that they completely overlook the sacrifices the USSR made in defeating Hitlerism.

    This is what happens when you read zero theory and try to make up a leftist theory from scratch, based purely on what you learn in German schools.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        I'm willing to forgive a lot for punching Nazis. I'm almost willing to forgive Churchill...almost.

        • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah, he was a monster, but i can still respect a monster's contribution to defeating Hitler. The Brits went through a lot during the Blitz. That goes for Americans who fought Germany as well, even though the biggest props clearly go out to the brave people of the USSR. But if you were storming a French beach on D-Day, you're a hero, you can rightfully say that you helped saving the world from fascism, there's no debating that. Just doesn't mean i have to be a fan of their homeland when it immediately started rehabilitating nazis after the war.

      • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        In fairness, the US siding with Germany (or staying neutral) is not as plausible a scenario as people think. Not out of moral principle, of course (save for a few individual actors in the US government) but because Germany and Japan carving out their realms would have been cancerous for the economies of the US and its allies (namely Britain) in the long run, so the Bourgeoisie would never allow it. Especially with Germany outright stating they wanted complete autarky which would have removed America and Britain from those sweet, sweet markets. Of course, the Nazis, having no sense of materialism whatsoever, took this to mean that America, Britain and the USSR were all controlled by the Juice.

        Similarly, FDR didn't necessarily want to cultivate ties with the USSR because he liked them. Rather, he considered the British and French Empires to be more immediate threats to :freedom-and-democracy: and, unlike the Soviets who were more conciliatory and reasonable which he mistook for being easy to manipulate, Western Europe would hold on to their colonies to the bitter end (He interestingly had it out for de Gaulle especially). There was actually a lot of tension between the US and the two "Entente" powers even into the Cold War before the latter finally relented, "decolonized" and submitted to American capital. The thing about global capitalism is that there can only really be one "center of world capital", lest the centers come into conflict a la WWI. Bretton-Woods was kind of a foreshadowing for that.

        But yeah, world would be a lot better if someone like Henry Wallace took the presidency and continued FDR's plan as opposed to fucking Truman :yes-honey-left:

    • RNAi [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Lmao,

      Could there be an homologous thing in murica? Libs that despise their fascist nation but end up worshiping other fascist nations because gommunism bad?

      • FunnyUsername [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        Libs that despise their fascist nation but end up worshiping other fascist nations because gommunism bad?

        Amerikkkan neolibs jerk themselves off to Merkel

        • RNAi [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Ah, the four terms geriatric ruler, totally not the kind of leader they shit non-stop on their stupid CIA written op-eds

      • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        idk, there's a lot of highly specific German brainworms at play here. Being confronted with living in Naziland is hard to deal with, it leads to all kinds of weird ideas when you don't have a thoroughly leftist worldview that makes it intuitive to reject fascism. When you realize "this happened here, i know people who where part of that regime", it's honestly terrifying.

        • RNAi [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Good point, but weeaboos are openly fascists

      • build_a_bear_group [he/him, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        IDK, I think some Gen-X contrarians ended up being "Antiamerikanish". I feel that is the fate of some like Max Blumenthal. They will just be less clownish and right more often because the US's position as a settler-colony, world hegemon and maintainer of global capitalism means that just reflexively saying everything in American culture and everything America does is bad is correct more often.

    • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      :germany-cool: I tried to conquer large swathes of land and annihilate their native inhabitants to settle the land for the Volk and my corporate masters.

      :wojak-nooo: Fuck off, I don't believe in that shit.

      :amerikkka: I pulled all that off successfully and even inspired that guy to begin with.

      :so-true: YAS, a true force for good!