• UlyssesT [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Remember when many more anime characters looked visibly like adults? :pathetic:

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Anime design peaked in the late 90s-early 00s

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            It did have fanservice moments that were cringe, but other than that, yes, it was wonderful. Its years-later extra seasons "Revolution" and "Evolution R" were actually quite nice too.

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Do you like, even watch anime at this point? Do you think when the average Japanese person watched Demon Slayer they were frustrated that the story featured younger characters instead of some 35yo salary man?

      Do you think when millions of people watched SpyxFamily which predominantly featured a child as a main character last season they were instead reminiscing on the good old days of 1980s anime?

      All of the criticism about the pedo side of the industry is all fine, accurate and justified, but this sort of circle jerk is realy just pathetic honestly.

      It is almost like we need daily reminders that most people in Japan don't actualy care about Cowboy Bebop and Eva that much, and like it or not anime is made for them not us.

      • Soap_Owl [any]
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        2 years ago

        We need a daily reminder? This is so important we need to set aside a part of every day to meditate on this fact?

        • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          If you want to have a discussion that isn't the same circlejerk repeated without fail every time then maybe, maybe not, hey they even posted the Miyazaki quote elsewhere on the thread.

          • Soap_Owl [any]
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            2 years ago

            All media has gotten worse since the 70s in the US and the 90s in japan as the contradictions of capitlaism have intensified. The even the handfull of good anime are released despite thr market not because of it. The tears of the workers being being baked in only make it less worthy of faor consideration.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            By contrast, the usual reactive circlejerk against treat criticism is fine and good, apparently. :very-intelligent:

            My criticism of your entertainment doesn't threaten your entertainment. Your petty personal attacks in this thread don't even meaningfully protect that entertainment.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Since you conjured up an imaginary position where you're pretending I was demanding 35 year old salary men protagonists, I can just as easily (and probably more accurately) remind you that "adult" typically means 18 and older, and since so much contemporary anime that you seem to be angrily defending here is often focused on sexually objectifying dubiously-aged and often visibly childlike characters (or "looks, acts, and/or talks like a child but is actually a 1000 year old half dragon half angel half vampire" characters) for a number of reasons, what you seem to be defending is... questionable.

        I also find abrasive and insult-laden personal attacks, all in some misguided (and unnecessary) defense of treats, to be "just pathetic honestly" as you put it first.

        To use more of your own words, there is also frequent "circle jerk" of treat defending that often happens when the treats are criticized, usually with "let people enjoy things" thought terminating cliches and "touch grass" mantras in response of any/all criticism of some entertainment or another.

        "It is almost like" I find your insulting reply petty and vindictive, and consequently, I will dismiss your hostility and continue criticizing the treats if I feel the treats deserve criticism.

        The treats are not endangered by my criticism, and for that matter they aren't even protected in any meaningful way by your personal attacks.

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Still true if you stick to seinen, everything else is targeted at teenagers so it looks like them too.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I still contend that in the balance that visibly adult characters were more common before the turn of the century. Also, while on the surface teenagers may be the stated audience, the fanservice-drenched merch-associated slop is consistently made for the same targeted group of big-spender otaku and on average they aren't getting any younger.

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          That's generally caused because nobody really ages out of watching the teen targeted stuff. Even today you can slap a 30+year old in front of Pokemon and they'll enjoy it like they were young and watching the first series again.

          Since the older group doesn't age out but you still want to target the younger group, not much reason to exclude an audience by targeting only the older group.

          All these decisions are economic. Especially in anime these days which is ruthlessly run by the publishing committees.

          • UlyssesT [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            I still argue there's timeless kid-friendly stuff like Pokemon then there's fanservice-loaded kiddie-creeping stuff that can say "for teens" when the real revenue source (and they know it) is aging otaku.

            • Awoo [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              That's true but it's caused by the same effect. It doesn't hurt the teen audience but it does attract the adult audience, also provides internet marketing through sharing shit.

              This is in fact also a problem in western media imo. More and more content is hyper-sexualised even targeted at younger audiences because the older audience watches the franchise still and never stopped.

              • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                No arguments there. Western media is :awooga: obsessed too, but with an extra large additional helping of violence on top of that.

      • Soap_Owl [any]
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        2 years ago

        Counterpoint, in america media aimed at teenagers is full of only adults.

        • Awoo [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          None of the kids tv network targeted at teens ever was, Disney, Nickelodeon, even Cartoon Network. All the shows have teens or sometimes younger in them.

          • Soap_Owl [any]
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            2 years ago

            He-man and GI were mostly afults. Every teen drama has actors that are like 30+

            Bonus: GI Joe is anime.

            • Awoo [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              But this is the same era as the era of anime we're talking about. He-Man is 80s.

              The point is how much it has changed. A lot of people will get the wrong perspective on new content in the west because of marvel movies, but the marvel shit is all a holdover from the 80s too.