• gayhobbes [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Yes, which is why ethics in science is so fucking important, and yet often overlooked or discarded as being too soft.

    • p_sharikov [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Head over to /r/samharris sometime if you really want to suffer. The consensus over there seems to be that all social issues and indeed morality itself are neatly reducible to scientific questions, and also race science is valid and has simply been suppressed by the SJWs, who are impeding social progress.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      4 years ago

      STEM is what happens when you convince people that tech school provides a well rounded education. Everyone should get liberal arts education because it gives you context and teaches you how to think. Learning to code is cool and all but it teaches you how to do stuff, not why to do stuff.

    • El_Pilso [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Richard Feynman, as problematic as he may have been, did recognise that and put it pretty succinctly. Science only ever tells you how to do something, not why.

      To every man is given the key to the gates of heaven. The same key opens the gates of hell. And so it is with science.

      I figure working on the atomic bomb in Los Alamos had something to do with that mindset.

      Cuck Philosophy also has a excellent video on Sam Harris' view on the world: https://youtu.be/wxalrwPNkNI

    • gayhobbes [he/him]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I haven't had a lot of scientist types get upset by it, but STEM fetishists who adulate scientists but know nothing about science? 100%.

            • gayhobbes [he/him]
              hexagon
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              4 years ago

              Well you can call me cellular respiration because I'm going to push into you so hard we're gonna make a ton of new fuckin molecules

      • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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        4 years ago

        I mean a lot of the scientists I know are like this too. Pretty much all naive realists who still think that falsfiability is the be all end all of the demarcation problem.

          • gayhobbes [he/him]
            hexagon
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            4 years ago

            It’s always the IFLS dorks who get all hung up on falsifiability. Most hardcore scientists I know don’t take science nearly as seriously as the science masturbating otaku do.

          • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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            4 years ago

            I didn't get one whiff of philosophy of science in either my undergrad or grad school science programs at R1s.

            I might just have been unlucky though.

    • evilgiraffemonkey [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      People who are scientistic (what would you call them? You can't call them scientists) are. Usually people who love science cause of Neil Degrasse Tyson or something, not actual scientists.

      • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Of all the things about a science to take pride in though - the purity?! I look back so fondly on getting high and talking about how molecules interacted with electrical forces, how the large Hadron collider works, or how many stars there are. I wish I did more of it nowadays. I'd go to a party get inebriated to find an ear that would listen to me babble about it in a different world. I would go back and kick myself if I let a meme like this get under my skin.

    • thefunkycomitatus [he/him,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      If you want to be a smart person you have to make room for divergent thinking. You have to make connections that aren't formally logical. You have to make room for emotion and empathy. Otherwise you're just a dumb person who knows a lot of technical stuff but also a robot.

  • kikkai [any,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Math really applies so much propositional logic, and that's what I love about it. Great edit.