https://reddit.com/r/jpegmafia/comments/wsw1fw/leftist_rappers/il2u5q2

Man, being a Western terminally online "anarchist" must be so depressing/confusing

  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    historically

    Brave of a Western "Anarchist" to bring up historical precedent when Western Anarchism has the historical precedent of accomplishing jack fucking shit.

    • LeninWeave [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      To be fair, all of western leftism has the historical precedent of accomplishing jack fucking shit.

      • geikei [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        thats a bit too far, even if you were talking only about Murica you can still find very successfull orgs like the BPP or earlier unionist efforts. Just not "winning a revolution" accomplished which to be fair is the main point

        • 2Roses2Serious [comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          Emma Goldman was heavy into early union efforts. This seems like an odd argument to try to make. American leftists in particular have a history of working together and still getting our shit kicked in eventually.

          • Alaskaball [comrade/them]A
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            2 years ago

            I was going to say the golden era of socialist organizing in the U.S was around the time when folks like Emma Goldman and John Reed were running around coinciding with ww1, leading to the first red scare, followed by the second golden era that coincides with ww2, leading to the second Red Scare.

          • geikei [none/use name]
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            2 years ago

            what argument do you think im trying to make?

            I only responded against "all western leftism sucks and sucked" without making any tendency distinctions or references. Dont presume too much

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I will be the first to also point out that Western MLs have accomplished jack shit as well, so I guess if I'm being sectarian then the only sect I'm dunking on is Westerners.

        • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Saying "western anarchists suck" and then when you get called out for being sectarian, going "well, western MLs suck too" is still sectarian. It's like a middle schooler going "I'm not homophobic, I hate everyone equally"

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Woah now, I never said I hate everyone equally.

            Nothing comes close to my incandescent hatred of the West.

      • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        If we count Oswald (We should not)

        Lee Harvey Oswald's story is so bizarre. He was going around in 1950s America, peak McCarthyism, telling everyone how much he loved Communism. Telling everyone. Even his officers in the US military. Making sure everyone around him had bizarre stories about him being a weird commie. He left the military, moved to the USSR, went around telling everyone there how much he loved Communism and how based it was to defect, and married the daughter of a Soviet official within months of getting there. Then he decided suddenly he hated the USSR, and moved back to the USA with his high profile wife who was a daughter of a soviet official. Weird! He moved to Dallas with his well-connected wife, fell in with a bunch of families of White Army Russian Exiles. Uh?? I thought he was a commie?! He then hung out with all these old anti-soviet Russians in Dallas with his well-connected wife who he married in months flat. One of these guys, George De Mohrenschildt, is friends with a future CIA director and future president of the USA: George HW Bush. This guy hooks Oswald up with the job at the book depository. where the presidential motorcade is going to pass through. Then Kennedy gets assassinated, Oswald immediately says he's been framed, and before his trial is concluded he is assassinated by a CIA-connected mobster involved in plots to kill Castro (Jack Ruby). Then the Warren Commission is assembled, comes up with the canonical conclusions, closes the case shut, and tells the public to move on.

        Meanwhile George HW Bush insists he couldn't remember where he was when JFK was assassinated. We know he was in Dallas on November 21st and most likely the morning of November 22nd. He hid that fact, lied about not knowing where he was, then created an alibi based on a lead he knew was false. Meanwhile he also had a close relationship with Oswald's anti-Soviet friend De Mohrenschildt. De Mohrenschildt also knew George HW Bush's business partner Thomas Devine, and collaborated with him on CIA-related business. George HW Bush's running mate in the 1964 election, Jack Chricton, was connected to military intelligence figures who led Kennedy's motorcade. Chricton and D. Harold Byrd, owner of the book depository building Oswald allegedly sniped from, were both connected to De Mohnrenschildt, and to each other, through oil business. Byrd hired the tenant that hired Oswald at the depository shortly before the assassination. Oswald, again, found the job through De Mohnrenschildt. Toddie Lee Wyne was a Texas businessman who provided lodging to Oswald's widow after the assassination. Wyne was also an investor in some of George HW Bush's future businesses.

        Really makes you think.

    • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Western anarchists built the I.W.W. It might have been founded by Marxists, but St. John's faction was far more powerful than De Leon's, and the I.W.W.'s "shopfloor democracy" and political-non-participation should be recognized as anarchist practices, especially in America where the line between anarchists and marxists was pretty thin up until the foundation of the Third International.