Only correct answer. We will figure it out when we get there, let's fight the present exploitation right now instead of pontificating.
Hot take but as someone from SEA (hub of western sex slavery tourism) honestly equating middle class women in the west voluntarily engaging in sex work in only fans or something with literal sex slave chained to a brothel in Thailand is fucking stupid and disingenuous, and just came across as trying to browbeat the former with the latter in practice. Like western chuds concern trolling about muslim women to attack western feminist even though they're horribly islamophobic 99% of the time.
Especially that after seeing patsocs loudly advocating this position I'm honestly have become suspect of the whole thing.
Like from the way some of you people (not just here in hexbear dot net mind you) talks about it sounds like you're really giddy to put all women with onlyfans account to gulags for 10 years of reeducation labor for the crime of selling photographs of vagina.
No, i am giddy about putting guys who think it's okay to objectify women if they paid for it into reeducation camp for 10 years.
Actually yeah, people in this region too. But more out of standard social conservatism, while leftists justifies it out of some... revolutionary moralism?
i think a sex slave isn't a sex worker
we differentiate between slave economies and capitalism ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'd imagine a fully communist society would have a much different understanding of sexual relations and social dynamics than the conditions that create the possibility of sex work today. In a society without patriarchy, white supremacy and capitalism, I could only imagine the diversity of social and sexual relations that could exist devoid of exploitation.
im too old to experience the age where men will come up with another line aside from 'hey bby u wan some fuk'
Capitalist hellhole: ‘hey bby u wan some fuk’
Communist utopia: ‘hey comrade u wan some fuk’
I fucking love the immortal science of communism :soviet-heart:
Idk what it is but the phrase "sexual mutual aid" really grosses me out 🤮
I dunno. I have done stuff for partners just because it would make them happy even though I wasn't into it. Really doesn't seem much of a stretch from that
yeah "sexual mutual aid" just sounds like dork for taking turns giving oral or alternating favorite positions.
It depends on the context, there's definitely a group that uses it in a MGTOW/Manosphere/incel way, but I guess the core sentiment still has meaning when coming from actual sex workers and not their clientele.
There are definitely folks out there who went pretty hard into "dissolution of the family unit" and took it all the way to "free love"
Extremely curious how "people who have a hot take on sex work in socialism" and "people who are organizing sex workers in real life" are two completely separate circles.
I can't grasp what the struggle session is about. Two different people who support sex work?
A communist utopia is centered on work...
There's obviously a huge focus on minimizing work by increasing productivity, but in the end communism is the real movement of workers to liberate their labor from the shackles of the capitalist class. Not a movement of workers to liberate themselves from labor, that's what the bourgeois revolution was.
yeah but some people would just enjoy fucking people who really want it, or are desperate or whatever. so like... is that work? who knows. if it's not exploitative; who cares?
So, uh, here in Australia we have a disability insurance payment system (NDIS). There was some hubbub recently (last year, I think) where the government wanted to stop disabled people from using NDIS funds on prostitutes. The argument against was that a lot of disabled people lack any sort of affection in their life, therapists don't touch or cuddle you, and so sex workers could make up whatever difference.
I don't really remember where those discussions went. It's not that sex is a "need" in the same way as oxygen or food is, but I think people do "need" an amount of affection in their life, or social connection.
I for sure know some people who would enjoy taking care of people and being the center of attention. Sure not everyday. However i think we would see more adventurous exhibitionists when you don't have to worry about getting fired if people find out.
Here's my take on Sex work: organize sex workers, help them create their own leadership, and then support whatever goals the radical wing of the movement puts forward. It's how we approach every other issue.
Pre-BLM: twitter debates on prison abolition
Post-BLM: It becomes clear that the left of BLM supports abolition, abolition becomes left wing concensus in the US.
And also like, take local conditions into account. In the US where ACT-UP was one of our most important movements, "harm-reduction" makes sense as a framework. In the Zapatista Autonomous Rebel Territories, where the community collectively decided to enact prohibition, prohibition makes sense.
