Someone in the replies said that the fine for removing a water restrictor is just $2500
say it with me folks, "if the punishment is a fine, it is legal for the rich"
Aka we need to enforce climate justice at the point of a :redacted:
Gun. Morality is subjected to the reality of class warfare, and all is morally justified that is needed to unite the proletariat and overthrow the old social order.
We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror
1 percent of the people consume 50% of the public resources. Meanwhile they want you to be concerned about "overpopulation" among the poorest and hardest working people on Earth who consume the fewest resources per capita. :thinkin-lenin:
Yeah I’m a Malthusian—just start with the people consuming the most, and go until you’ve got yourself something resembling sustainability.
I mean overpopulation is an issue so long as people continue trying to live like Americans. It's a real problem and I'm someone who lives in the global south. The Americans consume way more than we do, but we'd be doing the same if we had the same standard of living as the rich here have proven. The economic system needs a complete overhaul or else a growing population that strives to live like the global north will be a problem.
That being said, I'm not advocating wiping out the population or whatever other eco-fash solutions are out there.
overpopulation is an issue
see this video, 3:40 through 6:30
Framing issues of consumption and pollution and overproduction as "overpopulation" has always had racist undertones.
so long as people continue trying to live like Americans
not even "living like Americans" since most Americans are poor, but living like wealthy Americans. It's America's military, America's corporations, and America's bourgeois class that consume more resources and emit more carbon than the vast majority of the population. There is no reason to throw America's prisoners, America's homeless, America's immigrants, America's LGBT/BIPOC minorities and American's proletarians under the umbrella of "overpopulation" or "living like Americans" since Americans are incredibly class stratified.
That being said, I’m not advocating wiping out the population or whatever other eco-fash solutions are out there.
Still you don't want to start off any statement with "I mean overpopulation is an issue" regardless of what nuance comes afterwards because overpopulation is not the issue at all.
This is the correct take on population conversations. Tie it to the standard of living, recognize that everyone wants a high (i.e., American) standard of living, then acknowledge that it's easier for the planet to support 10 billion people with a high standard of living than 100 billion.
The key point to add, though, is that the only way to slow population growth is to give women economic autonomy and political power. Turns out top-down stuff like China's one child policy (or India's U.S.-backed population control measures) aren't actually associated with lowering birthrates, but giving women control over having kids is.
72 gallons? Do these disgusting poors never clean their pools? :porky-scared:
This is what i keep telling all my friends that are trying to conserve
It doesn't matter. We are peons compared to the usage of a single multi millionaire. We are dust compared to the use of a billionaire. We aren't going to consume less our way out of this problem
You should still try to conserve, just as a habit. But yeah, it means nothing when a rich person consumes your yearly equivalent in like a fucking second
Yeah none of it matters is my point. You should conserve. But it really doesn't matter
But it does matter? The drought will be less severe if the close to 10 million people in LA county used a bit less water.
Sure it matters. But it's a uniquely capitalistic libertarian personal responsibility bs.
Goes into my compost pile. And my philosophy isn't some libertarian bs
I mean if your shower runs 2.5 gpm and you take a 10 minute shower that's 25 gallons right there. Quick google indicates a dishwasher takes up like 4 gallons, unless it's old in which case it might use 9-14 gallons. Same source indicates up to 27 gallons per load of dishes washed by hand, so, if you're without a dishwasher and you like to not rush through every shower that's over half of that value right there. Even a low flow toilet is 1.6 gallons per flush, and tbh I'm with King of the Hill on that, if it takes multiple flushes to deal with one bowel movement woops ya done fucked up with those. Say you've got IBS and poop like 5 times a day because your digestive system hates you and you don't want to just leave shit festering in the bowl all day. Even if each flush removes everything (my toilet doesn't and I don't even think it's a low flow, toilet just fucking sucks, thanks landlord) that's like another 8 gallons. So if you have to wash dishes by hand and use a lot there and take a reasonably long shower and have Shitty Bowels that's 60 gallons a day just on that. The rest idk but people use a lot of water, cooking, washing clothes, water to take care of plants (not just lawns) whether they're house plants or like vegetables/weed/etc...
a dishwasher takes up like 4 gallons, unless it’s old in which case it might use 9-14 gallons. Same source indicates up to 27 gallons per load of dishes washed by hand
hahahahaha I saw a struggle session on here like a while back where people were saying it was wasteful to use a dishwasher and you should wash by hand. My laziness is vindicated :tofu-cool:
Also the best soap is the powder, not the pods, because you can put some powder in for the prerinse and some in the little box for the main rinse.
The pods/gel are basically just the powder with the water added for you.
I would definitely do that if there's food chunks still Id rather they go down the drain and be my landlord's problem than have them stuck in the dishwasher filter
I mean you could probably use less than 27 gallons but it's hard to imagine beating 4 gallons, lol
To be honest that's a minority thing from my experience. Most white people use their dishwasher if they have it. If you don't have one you're probably lower income or in a space that can't fit one.
Asians and Hispanics have non stop running jokes about how the dishwasher is just a drying rack. Their immigrant parents are worried about the electrical and water use. Most people see highly pressured water that comes out of a modern dishwasher or power washers and don't realize that it's using less water. They just see The velocity of the water and assume it's using more than it actually is.
The reason the water usage is so low is cause it's recycled over and over through the system. There's absolutely no argument against using a dishwasher.
Don't tell that to my in-laws. They go nuts. They also hate the way i wash dishes by my hand so at least i don't have to do that with them around
it wouldn't be so bad if rich fucks and people watering their lawns would be stopped. Like there's a desal plant in San Diego county that produces 50 million gallons a day, wikipedia says it "services the needs of 100,000 customers" but 50 million divided by 72 gallons each is almost 700,000 people. People be wastin' water
It's a bit tricky to come to a "customers" number because not all water usage is residential, so I feel like I'd need some details on their calculations.
maybe it includes the water cost of growing food?
the average Angeleno uses 72 gallons per day
That has to be skewed way up by people with McMansions watering grass, right? No way does the average person need that much water daily.
10 flushes a day at 2gpf is 20
Average shower is around 20
Washing dishes by hand can use up to 20 gallons. Dish washers use around 4 or less
This doesn't include food prep, washing clothes, drinking water, cleaning the house etc etc etc.
Who is out here flushing a toilet 10 times per day? Like okay if you have IBS or something but the vast majority of people aren't doing more than three.
Average time people go pee is 7 times. Average dump is 1-3.
Most people do not let yellow mellow.
If you are peeing once it twice a day you are probably very dehydrated
The average household has about 5 flushes a day. That's further broken down to 1.5 "brown" flushes and 3.5 "yellow" flushes.
Maybe the difference can be explained by people peeing at work.
House hold doesn't matter. This is average person. Most people are out of their house for hours a day almost most of the day light hours.
If you Google how much does the average person pee a day it says 6-7. I know i piss like 10-15 times a day at least once an hour while up.
Most do not and if you piss in the sink enough it'll probably start to stink if not changed well.
And yes. I pee on my plants all the time
I rinse the sink with a little water and it's fine. Been doing it for years.
If it says average person uses 72 gallons rather than an average of 72 gallons, I'd imagine it's shorthand to indicate they're using a median, which is relatively robust to outliers.
maybe it includes food and supply chains? but it's pretty valueless if you're having a water shortage now and you account the food that was grown months ago somewhere else.
shut down the almond farmers and cattle ranchers of course but that's not home-use.
on the real though what are these rich motherfuckers doing with this water exactly? are they filling up their own private oceans or something wft
Pools, lawns
Sprawling estates take up a lot of water if they're just covered in grass
