• robinn_IV
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    8 months ago

    In addition to being an immoderate act, self-immolation is a violent one, indeed one of the most violent, and if you dislike violence, then you should abhor it no matter your view on the war in Gaza.

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    That war began when Hamas terrorists burned Israelis alive, and the livestreamer showed no appreciation of the irony that it would end, for him, with his own voluntary experience of the same fate.

    Cotton candy brain. The Atlantic only lets idiots write this shallow garbage because it’s in support of the West. The few articles in the Atlantic of actual value that challenge dominant Western narratives have to be ironclad in order to be published, whereas if you’re a civility-brained lib you can just mash your head against the keyboard and hit send.

    The Palestinian case, in its minimal form, goes something like this: Palestinians have lived in and around the territory of Israel for a long time, and Israel shouldn’t force them to move or mistreat them if they stay. The Israeli case is also simple: Jews have been there a long time too, and have their own right to safety and dignity. I am aware that even these summaries will draw vicious ire. But my point is that a decent person can agree with both, and from that serene starting point negotiation could begin

    cognitohazard

    Israel does not give a fuck about the safety and dignity of Jews, abusing cultural and religious symbols as justification for settler-colonialism, oppressing multiple Middle-Eastern Jewish populations, and opposing Jewish assimilation outside of Israel as they wish to grow their colony by using antisemitism across the world.

    • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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      8 months ago

      if you’re a civility-brained lib you can just mash your head against the keyboard and hit send.

      That reminds me of this...

      Media is like:

      Freelancer, $35,000/yr: “I self-funding a three month reporting trip to a warzone to capture the untold stories of the war crime victims”

      Columnist, $300,000/yr: “China’s foreign policy is like an egg roll”

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      I'm not kidding that for a second I wondered if the tweeter was going to follow up with "Thomas Friedman actually wrote that." I read it in my mind in his voice. I was almost disappointed that it wasn't the case.

      • Nakoichi [they/them]M
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        8 months ago

        Reminds me of a similar one I saw a while back:

        It's so wild to me how my socialist friends are expected to have something like a PhD in world history and economics in order to justify their positions while the average liberal can cite two NYT columns and a wikipedia page and call it a day.

          • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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            8 months ago

            "The next six months will prove pivotal in the conflict in the middle east."

            • Thomas Friedman, 2004
            • Thomas Friedman, 2005
            • Thomas Friedman, 2006
            • Thomas Friedman, 2007

            And so on, all the way up to the present day.

            • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              8 months ago

              Another problem I have with Friedman is that over the past couple years or so his writing has improved. I don't mean it's good. At best it's serviceable. But it's no longer so-bad-it's-good bad and unintentionally funny. I miss his old awfulness. His new stuff tends to be just plain old bad-bad.

              I'll leave this here. It's a 2009 Matt Taibbi take down is really great.

              Matt Taibbi: Flathead: The Peculiar Genius of Thomas L. Friedman.

              [...]

              [Friedman] says:

              I stomped off, went through security, bought a Cinnabon, and glumly sat at the back of the B line, waiting to be herded on board so that I could hunt for space in the overhead bins.

              Forget the Cinnabon. Name me a herd animal that hunts. Name me one.

              This would be a small thing were it not for the overall pattern. Thomas Friedman does not get these things right even by accident. It's not that he occasionally screws up and fails to make his metaphors and images agree. It's that he always screws it up. He has an anti-ear, and it's absolutely infallible; he is a Joyce or a Flaubert in reverse, incapable of rendering even the smallest details without genius.

              The difference between Friedman and an ordinary bad writer is that an ordinary bad writer will, say, call some businessman a shark and have him say some tired, uninspired piece of dialogue: Friedman will have him spout it. And that's guaranteed, every single time. He never misses.

              And Taibbi is a story unto himself. What a strange guy. He used to be a real journalist. But - for whatever reason - he transformed himself into a total hack for hire who will do anything for the right price even being a stooge for Elon.

              • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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                8 months ago

                And Taibbi is a story unto himself. What a strange guy. He used to be a real journalist.

                Holy macaroni, that dude needs the wall, too.

                He really wasn't. A real journalist, I mean. He got his big break at The Moscow Times, right as the Soviet Union was being couped by Yeltsin. He's the feddest fed who ever fedded at Fed Inc, sponsored by Fed Force. His entire career has been him jerking readers off about how bad Russia is, as if he wasn't part of the propaganda apparatus that set up present day Russia's political reality.

                And that background speaks volumes about how much of a piece of shit Friedman is if even this stupid motherfucker can credibly roast him.

  • Anarcho-Bolshevik@lemmygrad.ml
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    8 months ago

    Protestors self‐immolate because they’re desperate and don’t know what else to try. It is always a last resort, not one of the first. Most of the world is begging for the neocolonists to stop exterminating the innocent and they’re still doing it anyway. If the oppressors simply yielded to our demands the first umpteen thousand g‐ddamn times that we asked, nobody would have tried this. As far as I’m concerned, they can take the blame.

    The livestreamer in D.C. said he wished to end his complicity in the Gaza war. That war began when Hamas terrorists burned Israelis alive, and the livestreamer showed no appreciation of the irony that it would end, for him, with his own voluntary experience of the same fate. His willingness to suffer this way certainly demonstrated his “determination and sincerity,” to use Nhat Hanh’s phrase. It also showed his numbness to the suffering of others: His cinders should inspire action, but the much larger piles of cinders of whole families in the Kfar Aza kibbutz somehow should not.

    …wow. Have you ever heard of the Nakba? The apartheid? What happened after the Oslo accords? How unpopular the ‘Palestinian Authority’ is? Why the hell do you think that Palestinian militants broke into the neocolony…? Because they had nothing better to do?

    • robinn_IV
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      8 months ago

      His cinders should inspire action, but the much larger piles of cinders of whole families in the Kfar Aza kibbutz somehow should not.

      If they inspire any action, it should be to tell the IDF not to bomb any more music festivals.

  • HeavenAndEarth [she/her]
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    8 months ago

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    Aaron Bushnell will be remembered much more fondly and will have a greater political impact than this turd.

    • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      8 months ago

      Perhaps it's true what they say. It is merely a sparkling and pointless self-immolation and not a true cri de coeur unless it occurs in the Champagne region of Tibet.

      • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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        8 months ago

        If you’re referring to the Vietnamese one, it wasn’t even acceptable to the Americans because it resulted in them couping the puppet president and subsequently losing the war lol

  • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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    8 months ago

    Yes, don't feel for someone who was so driven as to commit one of the most extreme acts imaginable

    Ignore their pleas and continue watching Chicago PD, airing Fridays on NBC

  • JustSo [she/her, any]
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    8 months ago

    Graeme Wood has termites. It's one thing to say don't encourage or celebrate, but.. is this mufucka saying "REMAIN UNMOVED"?

    Someone's deeply sick alright.

  • RedQuestionAsker2 [he/him, she/her]
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    8 months ago

    Stop Glorifying the Wealthy

    The tendency to celebrate and encourage their behavior, or even to be moved by it, strikes me as deeply sick.

    -alternate timeline based Atlantic

  • buh [she/her]
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    8 months ago

    They can prove how “meaningless” it is by doing it themself very-smart

  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    They need to remind us that Bushnell killed the wrong person because another member of the State Department publicly resigned in response.

  • Dolores [love/loves]
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    8 months ago

    don't worry Graeme, you won't be bothered by the modifier "self" on your immolation qin-shi-huangdi-fireball

  • moonlake [he/him]
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    8 months ago

    Self-immolation is objectively one of the most badass things you can do. Liberalism is at its core a nihilistic ideology. Liberals believe in nothing. So when they see somebody that has principles and is willing to commit the ultimate sacrifice for those principles, it terrifies them.

    Rest in Power Aaron Bushnell bushnell