It's so weird how I've had 500 conversations about Russia that have always been just me making really reasonable points and NONE of them have ever ended with the liberal not turning into a raged out psycho.
But despite this experience the number of people slowly coming around on the Russia thing increases and increases.
My only conclusion is that while absolutely none of my conversations about the topic ever feel like they end how I want them to.... Some of the message does get through and goes on to form the basis of some of their views. They just would never admit that to the person that those views came from.
At least in the US, it's because before all this, liberals - even ones who try to follow world events - couldn't tell you one thing about Ukraine other than "le funny Seinfeld line". And they didn't know anything about Russia other than "Putin bad". So for them, the war is simple and uncomplicated. Good versus bad. Supervillain Dr. Putin vs Marvel Superhero Captain Zelensky. For them it's like consuming any other entertainment.
Then you come along with your "context" and start making it more complicated. You obviously know more about it. But admitting that to you means not only do you put a stop to their fun war cheerleading, but they had to admit to themselves they don't actually know as much as they think they do. This shatters the ego of your typical educated liberals who thinks they're the most informed and reasonable person on earth. Hence the lashing out.
they had to admit to themselves they don’t actually know as much as they think they do. This shatters the ego of your typical educated liberals who thinks they’re the most informed and reasonable person on earth. Hence the lashing out.
You don't need to learn anything about history as long as you apply your ｒａｔｉｏｎａｌｉｔｙ to whatever stream of consciousness is coming out of the TV or the social media feed.
You don’t need to independent reading or research. Just read the headline and an article from a western propaganda outlet and then apply your giant brain and read the comments, you will ascend to perfect understanding of all subjects
All of this is combined with 50 years of Russophobia programming and conditioning. Calling an entire nation of people “orcs” and not seeing any issue with it at all shows how deep into the bigotry-hole they have gone.
It’s interesting, if you point out to “anti-racist” liberals that they are racist against Korean, Chinese and Russian people they often have literally no idea what you are talking about, they never even considered that possible. It’s a similar blind spot to European “anti-racist” libs who go full Hitler whenever Romas are mentioned and don’t see it as racism because they are so far gone on the racist path.
You mention to them that the US killed millions of Koreans and used chemical and biological weapons on them, and were about to use nukes until Truman pulled the plug… no idea what you are talking about because they have memoryholed their racist genocidal rampage
It's so weird how I've had 500 conversations about Russia that have always been just me making really reasonable points and NONE of them have ever ended with the liberal not turning into a raged out psycho.
But despite this experience the number of people slowly coming around on the Russia thing increases and increases.
My only conclusion is that while absolutely none of my conversations about the topic ever feel like they end how I want them to.... Some of the message does get through and goes on to form the basis of some of their views. They just would never admit that to the person that those views came from.
At least in the US, it's because before all this, liberals - even ones who try to follow world events - couldn't tell you one thing about Ukraine other than "le funny Seinfeld line". And they didn't know anything about Russia other than "Putin bad". So for them, the war is simple and uncomplicated. Good versus bad. Supervillain Dr. Putin vs Marvel Superhero Captain Zelensky. For them it's like consuming any other entertainment.
Then you come along with your "context" and start making it more complicated. You obviously know more about it. But admitting that to you means not only do you put a stop to their fun war cheerleading, but they had to admit to themselves they don't actually know as much as they think they do. This shatters the ego of your typical educated liberals who thinks they're the most informed and reasonable person on earth. Hence the lashing out.
That's a fucking bingo.
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You don't need to learn anything about history as long as you apply your ｒａｔｉｏｎａｌｉｔｙ to whatever stream of consciousness is coming out of the TV or the social media feed.
:sam-Harris:
:libertarian-approaching:
we already have one
pls no
This is the true Redditor mindset.
You don’t need to independent reading or research. Just read the headline and an article from a western propaganda outlet and then apply your giant brain and read the comments, you will ascend to perfect understanding of all subjects
All of this is combined with 50 years of Russophobia programming and conditioning. Calling an entire nation of people “orcs” and not seeing any issue with it at all shows how deep into the bigotry-hole they have gone.
It’s interesting, if you point out to “anti-racist” liberals that they are racist against Korean, Chinese and Russian people they often have literally no idea what you are talking about, they never even considered that possible. It’s a similar blind spot to European “anti-racist” libs who go full Hitler whenever Romas are mentioned and don’t see it as racism because they are so far gone on the racist path.
You mention to them that the US killed millions of Koreans and used chemical and biological weapons on them, and were about to use nukes until Truman pulled the plug… no idea what you are talking about because they have memoryholed their racist genocidal rampage
They call it the forgotten war because they'd prefer if everyone forgot about it
“Forgotten War” = “Forget this War”
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