https://www.businessinsider.com/decline-china-international-students-economy-universities-trump-biden-immigration-covid-2022-8
You know what you're right. There is a ray of sunshine despite how absurd, shitty, and fascistic things get in the USA. We were born to dance on its ashes.
I'm surprised anyone would want to study in the USA im the first place.
If you're from the global south America to a lot of people is the promised land, and having a degree from there puts you on a higher caste above the indigenous academia.
When my aunt got a degree in teaching from Ohio I thought "Wow, Ohio! Must've been a wonderful place!".
Or Iowa! We've got corn and, uh... Yeah, just the corn. :corn-man-khrush:
It's like Iowa was built from already decaying material. It's so ugly.
Had a friend who went to a big STEM university that attracted a lot of international students, with many coming from China. She said it wasn't uncommon to see them buying brand new luxury cars upon arrival, so it would track that those who can afford to study here aren't what you would consider the average Chinese citizen
Kind of same, I recently did an internship that had a couple students from a more liberal/"westernized" region of China and they were pretty liberal. Not very radical as far as I could tell from just a few hours of chatting about various things.
Not chuddy or anything like that, but think about what kinds of opinions and attitudes US universities would attract and then think about how despite having millions of members, the CPC still makes up less than 10% of the PRC's total population.
I guess it would be more surprising to meet an international student from China who's communist or radical. I mean, I seem to recall that there are graduate studies in ML/SWCC in China. So...
American policy has always been to give special preference to people with chuddy/reactionary views, in particular if they're foreign and plan on not staying permanently. They become another vector for the spread of "liberal" ideas and anticommunism in their countries of origin. It's also how the CIA was able to get the army on board with the coups in Indonesia and in Chile.
Working conditions in the US are not good. But working in an office in India would be absolutely worse. Which is why so many people end up studying abroad if possible.
It would be pretty funny, imo, for some rich failchildren to come from Shenzhen or Beijing and somehow find themselves stuck in West Lafayette, IN or Lansing, MI.
Not exactly the same but it reminded me of this one thing, my family is from a pretty small rural town and I went to school there for a bit bc of some family issues and while we were there we had a couple exchange students from China and Norway and I always felt bad for them that they ended up in the middle of nowhere Texas with a population under 1500.
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funny how this article doesn't mention that universities in China are improving and expanding while in :amerikkka: academia is atrophying
in a decade the west will be trying to copy technology from China, they already are with stuff like hypersonic missiles
also the speed of China's development of microprocessor manufacturing is incredible
funny how this article doesn’t mention that universities in China are improving and expanding while in :amerikkka: academia is atrophying
I mean, American Academia was never stellar to begin with. What we lacked in quality, we made up for in quantity. But the academic system has been rife with diploma mills and make-work degree plans since at least the 80s. One of the bigger upshots of the Biden loan forgiveness plan was how he went after a bunch of shitty for-profit tech schools in the process.
Chinese students weren't moving to the US to go to ITT Tech or U. Phoenix. They were coming here to go to Berkley and MIT and UT Austin and Rutgers. As far as I'm aware, all those top-flight schools are still doing about as well as they've always done.
But when we're openly antagonistic towards Chinese students, why would they continue to transfer? We used to make an effort to encourage international transfers and now we don't. We used to have domestic universities form partnerships with East Asian schools. Now we don't. We burned all our bridges, so of course now nobody is coming across.
But when we’re openly antagonistic towards Chinese students, why would they continue to transfer?
Harvard has gone to court to defend their ability to shape their student body the way they wish, which means fewer Asians.
Oh. I thought they were all spies and we needed to expel them.
No shite. Calling them spy, sinophobia is at all time high, and anti asian attack also rises.
well good news, they're just brand wearing snobby kids. Hardly representative of Chinese people as a whole. Also don't put China on a pedestal. I'm not disparaging China here, far from it, but we don't need to treat China like it's Jesus Christ 2. It's unproductive at best.
The fact they were studying in western colleges mean they went thru some very serious selection pressures, I doubt they'd even be representative of 5% of the Chinese population
There's A LOT of not very selective Western unis that will happily take mediocre foreign students.
That's never been a problem, all the selection pressures involve money
In particular if those foreign students come from countries that the university don't have many prior agreements with, as this usually means that they get milked for all the cash they have.
All the chinese kids i knew in college were obscenely rich, some were good people but the brand wearing snob types kind of make me lose faith in China being the world savior.
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We all enjoy the Xi-as-Savior meme shit while kinda tacitly understanding that they've still got a long way to go. But it always gets me to see someone say "Oh no! A Chinese person wearing a designer jeans brand! Communism has failed!"
Like, wtf does "appearance of the guy you passed in the parking garage last week" have to do with "nation of 1.4B people implementing its next five year plan"? I'll never understand.
no you see, every person should perfectly match my expectations for a maoist guerrilla in the 1950’s
Blame :deng-cowboy:
That said, being a billionaire in China is a dangerous game.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/raykwong/2011/07/25/friends-dont-let-friends-become-chinese-billionaires/?sh=1d06bdcc2dda
a Chinese billionaire dies every 40 days...unnatural deaths have taken the lives of 72 mainland billionaires over the past 8 years...15 were murdered, 17 committed suicide, 7 died from accidents and 19 from illness. 14 were executed. (Welcome to China.)
And while I agree the excesses of the economic elite continue to echo the vulgar displays of western peers, I can't help notice that guys like Jack Ma have chilled out significantly after a couple months in police custody.
If you're going to have billionaires, this is the way to do it.
Yeah thats nice i guess, and i can understand growing pains i just dont want shitheads to ruin good things
I don't know too many national parties more committed to weeding out shitheads than the CCP.
shitty materialistic handbags
aesthetic distate for bougie items is pointless and counterproductive, and a fucking hilarious reason to say they're not socialist. Eastern Europe was once socialist and they did not have those consumer goods and luxuries that you find so unenlightened and unpure. that was closer to your ideal, I guess. So what happened, why is the socialism gone? I don't want to overstate this, cause there are many reasons why they fell, but come on. we all know what a lot of them wanted.
consider that most people are not perfectly pure, ultracommunist ascetics with no desire for ""decadent"" consumption. that will not change overnight, maybe ever to some extent, and that reality must be accommodated. luxuries that offend your utopian tastes are a very worthwhile price to pay for a stable, comfortable socialism.
the billionaires criticism I understand more, I used to agree. read some theory. read Deng himself if that's not enough
fair enough, but there's a billion and a half of them. whoever you met is just a few anecdotal drops in a sea of humanity. 1/6th of it.
also, even if there were no Gucci pants, there would still be greedy, destructive people. Boris Yeltsin was born and raised in the USSR his whole life and look what he did.
Yeah i agree and also i obviously met a select group of people that were studying in america in a major that attracts fail children, obviously there are based chinese people out there who may even wear gucci flipflop
don’t worry I edited my comment to be funnier
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also I’m not a dude, don’t call me that
Im just going to block you this kind of stuff is toxic youre just looking to fight for no reason Edit: i guess i cant block you
Telling someone to not misgender me is not toxic. Please do not refer to me as a dude. Thanks.
Why you think they're going to be world savior? There's a reason why they have non-intervention policy.
I guess in my mind if China can effectively create a socialist country and the QoL gap between them and the US is wide enough- Capitalist propaganda won't hold much water and Capitalist countries will fuck off + become socialist
I remember some of the international students at my school (pretty large proportion of the undergrads) were trying to push for the university to offer financial aid to international students. IDK how this went cause I only had a few friends and they were all American, but hopefully they were able to make some change
A good thing. Schools have become addicted to the cash, cash, cash from these Chinese students. They pay sky-high rates for the privilege of being racially abused on campus. They also get sexually assaulted at the same 1 in 4 rate as the rest of American college students. American degrees don't really make a splash in China any more. They'd rather hire people who went to Chinese universities. Plus they're less likely to get infected with American culture and do shit like spy for the CIA.
