The problem that people apparently think government schools are some kind of good place where children are not routinely tortured and belittled by the other children. Really surprised people aren't familiar with this. Schools are a hellscape of suffering.
In schools there are at least some more mitigating factors than there are in home "schools". If children are abused there are not only hundreds of other kids there but also a few dozen teachers or administrators. At home there's just mom and dad, if they're abusing you nobody is going to notice let alone save you. And I fully empathize with you on the bullying but I'm not sure you're applying the same logic to the home school as you are to the "government" schools. If you applied the same lens equally you might (might, and also, I could be wrong) realize that the issue of abuse and bullying is actually just as much, maybe more of an issue at home than it is as school.
I will grant you that schools doesn't always work as they should. Lots of things can be done to improve them but every human institution is imperfect and there will never be an education system that never ever fails a single child.
We can and should do our best to improve schools and making them safe, inclusive and welcoming places.
This is one option.
The other option is not to have schools to prevent kids from being bullied at school. Kids will just stay at home with their parents. Realistically speaking this is going to be financially impossible for many families under capitalism so a lot of children will be left to fend for themselves and not get an education.
The quality of the education children will receive will vary widely depending on the parents, and assuming capitalism is still in place, children of the bourgeoisie will have much better conditions for learning than those of the proletariat. Also, as kids are taught at home they will never learn to function socially as part of a larger group.
Parents will have full control over their children. Discovering things like child abuse will become a lot harder.
This gets rid of the bullying at school problem but I can't see how you can think it is a better option when you look at all it's consequences.
Children become socialized through watching and reproducing social behavior. In a 21st century nuclear family, what is there to watch? Your parents and mass media. There is such scant common space -- such little opportunity to observe adults interacting as coequals. Sure, school is awful. Children are cruel. But... how else do you sand down the rough edges of learned behavior? How else can you produce adults capable of civil interaction with a stranger? Schools have unfortunately become that load-stone. I don't think you can remove it -- you have to shift the weight, spread the load, reorient society away from the profit motive...
also with the amount of hours people have to work these days there is a real chance the parents will not be around long enough for the children to learn much from them. So that basically leaves tv
The answer to bad schools isn't to burn the entire concept of education down, like the woman in this (and you seemingly) suggests. The answer is to remove the societal barriers that are put in place due to capitalist fuckery. Public Schools are one of the greatest things the working class ever won, along with the abolishment of child labor (Terms and conditions may apply).
the state schooling children was a demand of the labor movement that was won. What came before was children working in 16 hour days in factories many of whom died there.
children going to school together was historically considered a privilege of the aristocracy
No I was picked on in school but I also made friends it wasn't a binary experience and I do probably think back on it more fondly now that the things I was worried about then are over but I am also sure that school was a good thing for me.
School is not the equal of a CIA black site and you know that
I don't know what the hell happened to you, but burning down the entire school system because of your own inability to process what happened to you is so myopic and self-centered that it might as well have been from the republican party platform.
Never in my life have I heard such a stalwart and organized defense of conformity factories. You can tell who were the torturers and who were the victims very easily.
calling me a torturer because I think this person is obviously a crank and almost definitely a shitty parent.
I had a shit time in school; it's better than parental neglect and a complete lack of an education. Idk what terrible experience you had to make you hate them so much, I'm sure it sucked, but I really can't be sympathetic towards any position this insanely vitriolic. a good chunk of these 100 some comments is you claiming that all schools are hellscapes solely composed of the extremely cruel and extremely bullied and lashing out at anyone who doesn't completely condede that, calling them torturous bullies who were one of Them. seriously log off and calm down. no one needs these spiteful ass persecution complex posts
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What, people should put their children in government schools where they'll be bullied and tortured every day for years on end?
You can always tell who were the popular kids in school.
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same over here :yea:
What, kids aren't tortured and mocked every day at government schools? Yes. Yes they are.
Well unless you're popular. Then I'm sure it was the best experience in your life.
Capitalism has nothing to do with it, we're talking about government schools.
Whataboutism.
What problem are you trying to solve and how?
The problem that people apparently think government schools are some kind of good place where children are not routinely tortured and belittled by the other children. Really surprised people aren't familiar with this. Schools are a hellscape of suffering.
In schools there are at least some more mitigating factors than there are in home "schools". If children are abused there are not only hundreds of other kids there but also a few dozen teachers or administrators. At home there's just mom and dad, if they're abusing you nobody is going to notice let alone save you. And I fully empathize with you on the bullying but I'm not sure you're applying the same logic to the home school as you are to the "government" schools. If you applied the same lens equally you might (might, and also, I could be wrong) realize that the issue of abuse and bullying is actually just as much, maybe more of an issue at home than it is as school.
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I will grant you that schools doesn't always work as they should. Lots of things can be done to improve them but every human institution is imperfect and there will never be an education system that never ever fails a single child.
We can and should do our best to improve schools and making them safe, inclusive and welcoming places.
This is one option.
The other option is not to have schools to prevent kids from being bullied at school. Kids will just stay at home with their parents. Realistically speaking this is going to be financially impossible for many families under capitalism so a lot of children will be left to fend for themselves and not get an education.
The quality of the education children will receive will vary widely depending on the parents, and assuming capitalism is still in place, children of the bourgeoisie will have much better conditions for learning than those of the proletariat. Also, as kids are taught at home they will never learn to function socially as part of a larger group.
Parents will have full control over their children. Discovering things like child abuse will become a lot harder.
This gets rid of the bullying at school problem but I can't see how you can think it is a better option when you look at all it's consequences.
Children become socialized through watching and reproducing social behavior. In a 21st century nuclear family, what is there to watch? Your parents and mass media. There is such scant common space -- such little opportunity to observe adults interacting as coequals. Sure, school is awful. Children are cruel. But... how else do you sand down the rough edges of learned behavior? How else can you produce adults capable of civil interaction with a stranger? Schools have unfortunately become that load-stone. I don't think you can remove it -- you have to shift the weight, spread the load, reorient society away from the profit motive...
also with the amount of hours people have to work these days there is a real chance the parents will not be around long enough for the children to learn much from them. So that basically leaves tv
The answer to bad schools isn't to burn the entire concept of education down, like the woman in this (and you seemingly) suggests. The answer is to remove the societal barriers that are put in place due to capitalist fuckery. Public Schools are one of the greatest things the working class ever won, along with the abolishment of child labor (Terms and conditions may apply).
One of the greatest things the working class ever lost.
Having their children tortured and reprogrammed to regurgitate the ruling class line. The conformity factory. Winning bigly!
the state schooling children was a demand of the labor movement that was won. What came before was children working in 16 hour days in factories many of whom died there.
children going to school together was historically considered a privilege of the aristocracy
And yet it turned into a conformity factory and torture center, the equal of any CIA black site.
I can tell you were one of the popular kids. I get it, school was wonderful for you. You probably have a great deal of nostalgia.
No I was picked on in school but I also made friends it wasn't a binary experience and I do probably think back on it more fondly now that the things I was worried about then are over but I am also sure that school was a good thing for me.
School is not the equal of a CIA black site and you know that
I don't know what the hell happened to you, but burning down the entire school system because of your own inability to process what happened to you is so myopic and self-centered that it might as well have been from the republican party platform.
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this is such a shit take oh my lord
lmao if you think these kids won't be severely bullied at some point in the future because of their parents' narcissism and neglect
Never in my life have I heard such a stalwart and organized defense of conformity factories. You can tell who were the torturers and who were the victims very easily.
calling me a torturer because I think this person is obviously a crank and almost definitely a shitty parent.
I had a shit time in school; it's better than parental neglect and a complete lack of an education. Idk what terrible experience you had to make you hate them so much, I'm sure it sucked, but I really can't be sympathetic towards any position this insanely vitriolic. a good chunk of these 100 some comments is you claiming that all schools are hellscapes solely composed of the extremely cruel and extremely bullied and lashing out at anyone who doesn't completely condede that, calling them torturous bullies who were one of Them. seriously log off and calm down. no one needs these spiteful ass persecution complex posts
have you considered that your experience was very much not universal and while bad was not indicitative of the general state of the education system
It is indicative. More people have horrible experiences in school than have good ones. That's a fact.
would you care to provide any actual proof of this or are you just going to baselessly attack the public education system?
lmfao, no
I get you got fucked up in school, but don't take it out on others
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Both of you need to disengage.
That sounds like a terrible experience.
I was homeschooled and not isolated though, so I don't see the connection
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Both of you need to disengage.
This comment is not ok.
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