Someone watched that kid from gambothrones suck his moms titties at the age of 10 and thought "wow mothering goals"
It's always the chiropractors getting involved with this shit
They need to be removed from medical practice.
Even the quackery that is acupuncture is somehow less harmful. Like you can get stabbed in the lungs with that bs and it somehow manages to be less harmful than chiropractic
Acupuncture at least has a physiological basis for it even if the energy aspect is bullshit. Like how getting a tattoo over muscle feels great after the first few minutes, you're provoking a wound response in a superficial way.
Spine necromancy though, nothin'. It's a wholly bullshit alternative to physical therapy that should see every practitioner cervically adjusted above the doors to their businesses.
So there are a lot of recent studys showing that accupuncture does actually reduce inflammation. I think there are a lot more going on now too.
I mean from the study you linked
Large randomised trials demonstrating the immediate and sustained effect of acupuncture are missing
The value of complementary acupuncture in the treatment of inflammatory diseases is still questioned.
the usefulness of acupuncture still has to be demonstrated in large randomised trials.
Evidence from large randomised trials, including follow-up measurements of mediators of inflammation, both at the site of inflammation and in the periphery, should be obtained to prove the immunologic effects of acupuncture
The acupuncture-controlled release of neuropeptides from nerve endings and subsequent vasodilative and anti-inflammatory effects through calcitonine gene-related peptide is hypothesised.
It's not very solid evidence
It isnt rock solid but every study i saw pointed in the direction of acupuncture working.
yeah frankly you'd be better off going to the local woman rumored to be a witch for your medical needs
Spine warlocks.
:stirner-shocked: I'll never use the word chiropractor again. Thank you kind internet stranger.
"involved" probably just means saying 'yes' to whatever nonsense repeat customers bring up
and by dint of being the closest thing this family has to a medical expert, that guaranteed 'yes' is now Wisdom To Be Shared
man i hate to say it but people really shouldn't be allowed to raise their kids whatever way they want
like you should at least have to take a course or something
obviously i don't think we should have rigid conservative "family values" imposed but this is practically abuse
That shouldn't even be controversial. You don't own your kids. They have a right not to get fucked up when they're at their most vulnerable.
also homeschooling should be illegal except in rare circumstances. i'm sure there are a few people for who it was genuinely better than going to a real school but in the vast majority of cases it stunts learning and social development
i was e-schooled (at home but with charter school curicuulum so no insane christian bullshit) for elementary and high school and it's a miracle i'm capable of socializing at all. i love my parents but i really wish i had just gone to a regular school
I'd agree in a society where everyone has access to genuine schooling, which the US is decidedly not
Regular school is nothing but a long, extended torture session where you cannot escape. I wish I could have gone to home school. You should be thankful at what you "lost".
Me? These issues are widely reported and experienced by everyone (except the popular kids, of course - if you're one of those I can see why you don't get it). And I was cishet. Imagine what it's like for BIPOC or LGBT kids. A thousand times worse.
i wasn't one of the popular kids in middle school and it was still a lot better than homeschool. i'm sorry school was bad for you but your experience isn't universal
You can escape, you go home at the end if every day. You know what kind of school you literally cannot escape from? A home school. Don't talk down to other people telling them they had it good because you fantasized about their life while not knowing the details.
i must say again
fuck parents rights fuck parents rights fuck parents rights fuck parents rights
I disagree parents have rights just not the right to do whatever they want all the time or the right to cause the child significant harm. They for example should be allowed to see the kid and be the primay caregiver to the child but not the right to make dangerous decisions about what the child should be doing.
Without a doubt the family chiropractor is just some dude who comes around and rubs on her from time to time.
Anyone got a paternity test on that kid? Getting strong John Redcorn vibes.
Love having urinary incontinence for the rest of my life bc I gave birth at home and had basically no treatment for what is essentially a huge wound in my pelvic floor.
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fucking RIP
I'm honestly amazed at myself for not having got locked out of my own account here.
This is a great idea if you want your children to be dependent, emotionally unstable babies at age 25.
I wonder... This is like so far outside the range of normal childhoods that probably the kids will get old enough to realize how fucked up their parents are, be horrified, and completely cut contact. By 25 they might be pretty well adjusted. I'm sure they'll deal with trauma from this shit tho.
That's true, it would be very hard to actually keep them from realizing how fucked up their parents are for that long. But when they're not in school, have never met a real doctor, and are friends only with the other pseudoscience experiments of other hippy parents, I have no idea exactly what their idea of 'normal' would be.
relatively well adjusted this weird childhood and lack of any education/educational support will probably leave them not knowing loads of things you need to know to function in society
its up to them to potty train themselves? are they just running around in diapers? This is child abuse, mate.
What, people should put their children in government schools where they'll be bullied and tortured every day for years on end?
You can always tell who were the popular kids in school.
What, kids aren't tortured and mocked every day at government schools? Yes. Yes they are.
Well unless you're popular. Then I'm sure it was the best experience in your life.
- It doesn't have to be like that, even if it is in capitalism
- Why do you assume families wouldn't torture and mock their children?
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Capitalism has nothing to do with it, we're talking about government schools.
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Whataboutism.
The problem that people apparently think government schools are some kind of good place where children are not routinely tortured and belittled by the other children. Really surprised people aren't familiar with this. Schools are a hellscape of suffering.
In schools there are at least some more mitigating factors than there are in home "schools". If children are abused there are not only hundreds of other kids there but also a few dozen teachers or administrators. At home there's just mom and dad, if they're abusing you nobody is going to notice let alone save you. And I fully empathize with you on the bullying but I'm not sure you're applying the same logic to the home school as you are to the "government" schools. If you applied the same lens equally you might (might, and also, I could be wrong) realize that the issue of abuse and bullying is actually just as much, maybe more of an issue at home than it is as school.
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I will grant you that schools doesn't always work as they should. Lots of things can be done to improve them but every human institution is imperfect and there will never be an education system that never ever fails a single child.
We can and should do our best to improve schools and making them safe, inclusive and welcoming places.
This is one option.
The other option is not to have schools to prevent kids from being bullied at school. Kids will just stay at home with their parents. Realistically speaking this is going to be financially impossible for many families under capitalism so a lot of children will be left to fend for themselves and not get an education.
The quality of the education children will receive will vary widely depending on the parents, and assuming capitalism is still in place, children of the bourgeoisie will have much better conditions for learning than those of the proletariat. Also, as kids are taught at home they will never learn to function socially as part of a larger group.
Parents will have full control over their children. Discovering things like child abuse will become a lot harder.
This gets rid of the bullying at school problem but I can't see how you can think it is a better option when you look at all it's consequences.
Children become socialized through watching and reproducing social behavior. In a 21st century nuclear family, what is there to watch? Your parents and mass media. There is such scant common space -- such little opportunity to observe adults interacting as coequals. Sure, school is awful. Children are cruel. But... how else do you sand down the rough edges of learned behavior? How else can you produce adults capable of civil interaction with a stranger? Schools have unfortunately become that load-stone. I don't think you can remove it -- you have to shift the weight, spread the load, reorient society away from the profit motive...
also with the amount of hours people have to work these days there is a real chance the parents will not be around long enough for the children to learn much from them. So that basically leaves tv
The answer to bad schools isn't to burn the entire concept of education down, like the woman in this (and you seemingly) suggests. The answer is to remove the societal barriers that are put in place due to capitalist fuckery. Public Schools are one of the greatest things the working class ever won, along with the abolishment of child labor (Terms and conditions may apply).
One of the greatest things the working class ever lost.
Having their children tortured and reprogrammed to regurgitate the ruling class line. The conformity factory. Winning bigly!
the state schooling children was a demand of the labor movement that was won. What came before was children working in 16 hour days in factories many of whom died there.
children going to school together was historically considered a privilege of the aristocracy
And yet it turned into a conformity factory and torture center, the equal of any CIA black site.
I can tell you were one of the popular kids. I get it, school was wonderful for you. You probably have a great deal of nostalgia.
No I was picked on in school but I also made friends it wasn't a binary experience and I do probably think back on it more fondly now that the things I was worried about then are over but I am also sure that school was a good thing for me.
School is not the equal of a CIA black site and you know that
I don't know what the hell happened to you, but burning down the entire school system because of your own inability to process what happened to you is so myopic and self-centered that it might as well have been from the republican party platform.
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this is such a shit take oh my lord
lmao if you think these kids won't be severely bullied at some point in the future because of their parents' narcissism and neglect
Never in my life have I heard such a stalwart and organized defense of conformity factories. You can tell who were the torturers and who were the victims very easily.
calling me a torturer because I think this person is obviously a crank and almost definitely a shitty parent.
I had a shit time in school; it's better than parental neglect and a complete lack of an education. Idk what terrible experience you had to make you hate them so much, I'm sure it sucked, but I really can't be sympathetic towards any position this insanely vitriolic. a good chunk of these 100 some comments is you claiming that all schools are hellscapes solely composed of the extremely cruel and extremely bullied and lashing out at anyone who doesn't completely condede that, calling them torturous bullies who were one of Them. seriously log off and calm down. no one needs these spiteful ass persecution complex posts
have you considered that your experience was very much not universal and while bad was not indicitative of the general state of the education system
It is indicative. More people have horrible experiences in school than have good ones. That's a fact.
would you care to provide any actual proof of this or are you just going to baselessly attack the public education system?
lmfao, no
I get you got fucked up in school, but don't take it out on others
That sounds like a terrible experience.
I was homeschooled and not isolated though, so I don't see the connection
anecdotal but i know a family that unschooled their three kids and all of them turned out pretty good :shrug-outta-hecks:
breastfeeding an 8 year old
I know that I've seen parts of documentaries years ago about people breastfeeding kids into their young teens. I wonder if there are any documentaries that did follow ups on the kids as adults?
:cyber-lenin: i was not programmed to understand intentional understatement for the purposes of humor
So-called "individualism" has never been anything more than the narcissistic psychopathy generated by gluing Christianity as a state religion on top of Roman notions of property that undergird capitalism. They own the children, and they will anchor that property relation as the material stake that allows them to project these inward facing notions of their own innate, privately experienced, interior goodness. Sure it traumatizes the kids in brutal and isolating ways, or in ways that breed reactionaries or equally narcissistic liberal subjects.
I don't think either the early Christians or the Romans believed in anything approaching modern notions of individualism though. Early Christianity and the Bible very much assume the unit of humanity is the tribe not the individual, and the Romans for all their faults very much believed in a Rome more important than any individual Roman. Not every aspect of European culture comes from the Romans and Christianity it's been 2000 years they've had other ideas since
Individualism I would argue was one of the ideas that the early bourgeoise put forward to sever themselves from feudalism which in theory if not always in practice believed in a strict hierarchy where everyone had set duties towards everyone else.
Romans for all their faults very much believed in a Rome more important than any individual Roman
Eh. They espoused the notion publicly, as a means of cultivating a loyal volunteer military and a unified body politic. But there wasn't a shortage of Roman narcissists in the Republican Period. The Empire was absolutely rife with them.
I'm not saying selfishness is new I'm saying the idea of individualism being a societal value wasn't a Roman cultural value like it is an American one how the individual Romans acted isn't entirely the point as I was discussing how the Roman culture believed someone should act
Sure. Protestant Work Ethic Individualism wasn't really a thing. But the idea of the Roman Tribe, particularly in the later era, was far more about one's immediate family than one's national allegiance or ethnicity. The ideas of patriarchy and filial loyalty, self-aggrandizement and demagoguery, and individual stoic virtue were well established.
You didn't have the same kind of western colonial frontiersman icons. But you definitely had the core idea of the ubermensch - the Herculean/Spartan champion, the Marcus Aurelius styled philosopher stoic, and the Marcus Licinius Crassus proto-libertarian business tyrant - already operating within the empire. These icons are routinely invoked by modern-day individualist ideologues. So I imagine an American in Julius Caeser's Court would be more relatable than you give him credit.
I'm not saying they did. I'm arguing that would ultimately provides the social conditions to generate that in Europe and not elsewhere is the fusion of a religion about selflessly loving your neighbors, an extreme response to Roman occupation, on top of the Roman notions of property, which were some of the most total and violent invented by that point.
the idea that children are the property of the father (here they have made mild progress by making them the shared property of both parents) is I will grant you one the Romans shared but it wasn't unique to the Romans and as I understand it was a common one in the early agricultural societies in the region.
Also it's deeply reductive and somewhat idealist to put these ideas continued existence on the Romans or Christianity as both of those cultural influences also introduced ideas that have been dropped as well as the fact that the way people thought about them over a thousand years ago was pretty much unrecognisable. Material conditions such as the economics of the settler colonial homesteads and the birth of capitalism contributed significantly to the ideas of individualism
