Literally no one thinks millions of people are getting killed. The common narrative is that there are many different camps, spread across an enormous area, housing thousands, not millions of people. Also you can literally good for satellite images that are allegedly real...
The problem is in a political unstable climate where the government VERY MUCH WANTS TO TOPPLE CHINA, and has for a long time since the British empire, saying "fuck china" en masse is making that a lot more likely, so pushing back against it is critical. No one gives a fuck if you personally can logically hold the position that china bad but also US bad, the point is what espousing that position in the west, unrebutted, means for the world.
Leftists aren't immune to imperialism, in fact probably most leftists in the US tacitly support various imperial efforts. Have you seen leftist discourse on HK?
Also it's not about converting me, it's about pushing back against a cultural feeling that will then be used to further justify imperial action.
Leading up to the Iraq war I'm sure tons of leftists in "leftist spaces" were talking about how Saddam is a bad dude and fuck Iraq, etc. In fact I know they were, and in fact those same leftists were also writing articles about it.
If you're in the west, you can't affect China's domestic policy but you can contribute to the cultural mood of your own country, so it's a lot more important to PUSH BACK AGAINST EMPIRE than it is to make sure all of your buddies know you're being maximally logically coherent by acknowledging all the goody good marks of one country as well as another. We don't need an accurate pros and cons list of each, we need a real coordinated pushback against Clinton and co's "Pacific Century."
Yeah kiddo, I'm sorry that the real world is going to ask you to actually read up on the toxic shit you've been fed, but maybe do the research instead of parroting the CIA.
Bro, what's up for discussion here is that there's NO UYGHUR GENOCIDE HAPPENING. Pull your head out of your ass and read up on that. I'm not asking you to fucking blow Xi Jinping.
But then you shared a source that falsely claimed that it depicted China detaining Uyghurs so I imagine you can see how that muddies the waters, buuuuddy.
Yeah i dont honesly believe that this shit goes up to millions but it has t ohave some kind of source other than a complete fabrication of the cia i just think the google doc shit is fucking embarrasing and infuriating since it completely ignores the claims against the chinese state
Youre refusing to take in account of any kind of possible ethnic tensions (wich the state can escalate) in the area thats my problem. ive never bothered to look into the xingiang stuff because im not comfortable to make any claims about china other than that theyre fundamentally capitalists
And the US is mostly just projecting with shit that it did to indigenous people as recently as the 70s, because hoooo boy, do we know a thing or two about ethnic genocide over here. "Boarding schools" and forced sterilizations all around...
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Literally no one thinks millions of people are getting killed. The common narrative is that there are many different camps, spread across an enormous area, housing thousands, not millions of people. Also you can literally good for satellite images that are allegedly real...
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Pretty brazen, but absolutely on-brand. The finest propagandists that money can buy, folks.
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The problem is in a political unstable climate where the government VERY MUCH WANTS TO TOPPLE CHINA, and has for a long time since the British empire, saying "fuck china" en masse is making that a lot more likely, so pushing back against it is critical. No one gives a fuck if you personally can logically hold the position that china bad but also US bad, the point is what espousing that position in the west, unrebutted, means for the world.
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Leftists aren't immune to imperialism, in fact probably most leftists in the US tacitly support various imperial efforts. Have you seen leftist discourse on HK?
Also it's not about converting me, it's about pushing back against a cultural feeling that will then be used to further justify imperial action.
Leading up to the Iraq war I'm sure tons of leftists in "leftist spaces" were talking about how Saddam is a bad dude and fuck Iraq, etc. In fact I know they were, and in fact those same leftists were also writing articles about it.
If you're in the west, you can't affect China's domestic policy but you can contribute to the cultural mood of your own country, so it's a lot more important to PUSH BACK AGAINST EMPIRE than it is to make sure all of your buddies know you're being maximally logically coherent by acknowledging all the goody good marks of one country as well as another. We don't need an accurate pros and cons list of each, we need a real coordinated pushback against Clinton and co's "Pacific Century."
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Why don't you just read up on it instead of shitting on someone for their very qualified stance
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Yeah kiddo, I'm sorry that the real world is going to ask you to actually read up on the toxic shit you've been fed, but maybe do the research instead of parroting the CIA.
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You could just read the fucking thing and decide for yourself instead of taking the word of someone who, by her own admission, DIDN'T EVEN READ IT.
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Bro, what's up for discussion here is that there's NO UYGHUR GENOCIDE HAPPENING. Pull your head out of your ass and read up on that. I'm not asking you to fucking blow Xi Jinping.
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But then you shared a source that falsely claimed that it depicted China detaining Uyghurs so I imagine you can see how that muddies the waters, buuuuddy.
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Yeah i dont honesly believe that this shit goes up to millions but it has t ohave some kind of source other than a complete fabrication of the cia i just think the google doc shit is fucking embarrasing and infuriating since it completely ignores the claims against the chinese state
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its not ? im too drunk i cant read this question
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Youre refusing to take in account of any kind of possible ethnic tensions (wich the state can escalate) in the area thats my problem. ive never bothered to look into the xingiang stuff because im not comfortable to make any claims about china other than that theyre fundamentally capitalists
But you'll still call me an idiot for debunking it, cool
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And the US is mostly just projecting with shit that it did to indigenous people as recently as the 70s, because hoooo boy, do we know a thing or two about ethnic genocide over here. "Boarding schools" and forced sterilizations all around...
Yeah, that never happened before. Not even once.