stop comparing everything to the US, it's the ultimate albatross, pure whataboutism, there's 200 other countries, stop framing everything in binaries
stop using Chinese state-sponsored media for everything, it's purely tautological and won't persuade anyone already skeptical, get more creative and diverse with your sources
the most persuasive argument you can make is one from the heart and in your own words, if you need to refer me to a 3-hour lecture or 15,000-word pdf, you've already lost the plot.
If they're called "China bad" they are making their "bad" assessment based on a comparison to something else in their life they do not consider bad or accept and do not relentlessly attack every day. Benchmarking China against something they accept is obvious and necessary.
I really haven't seen anyone use anything other than non-chinese sources.
When the opponent provides "evidence" it is necessary to perform takedowns of that evidence. Those get lengthy. The imperial machine is outputting a MASSIVE amount of fake shit and every single one of those things has to be taken down. This is how it gets to be ridiculously lengthy.
Not a valid argument. If you point out your opponent lives in a hellish evil empire I think that's a very valid point as to why they should spend less time jerking off about China bad and more time fixing their own backyard.
Also it is impossible to begin to evaluate claims and propaganda claims without understanding a little bit about how bad the US is, how evil they are and how much propaganda they've spewed, how many lies they've told to their own people. That is very relevant, in fact it's the only emotional argument from 3 that has any real bearing. Also whataboutism is not a valid logical fallacy, it's something invented by cold war journalist hacks. https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-66-whataboutism-the-medias-favorite-rhetorical-shield-against-criticism-of-us-policy Either educate yourself about it or shut the fuck up.
What would you suggest? Western media is in lock-step. Short of the greyzone you're not going to find many western sources. Citing some sources is better than just "I feel".
That's not a good reason to believe anything. While that may be a valid debate tactic if you're getting into the nitty-gritty people are going to be hitting you with western propaganda sources, specific claims and demanding you answer to or rebut them, if your response is "China is good and America is bad and lies about everything and I feel communism will improve the world" you're going to convince exactly no one and worse make your side look even weaker as the people who witnessed it will recall it as a communist "tankie" being destroyed with facts and logic and having nothing but baseless personal appeals about feelings. That doesn't mean you can't put it in your own words and summarize for people while backing up claims with citations but you do need something other than your own words to back those up or you'll be dismissed out of hand.
Pro-tips for OP: Do not listen to ignorant liberals like this person.
Protips for how to defend China:
stop comparing everything to the US, it's the ultimate albatross, pure whataboutism, there's 200 other countries, stop framing everything in binaries
stop using Chinese state-sponsored media for everything, it's purely tautological and won't persuade anyone already skeptical, get more creative and diverse with your sources
the most persuasive argument you can make is one from the heart and in your own words, if you need to refer me to a 3-hour lecture or 15,000-word pdf, you've already lost the plot.
If they're called "China bad" they are making their "bad" assessment based on a comparison to something else in their life they do not consider bad or accept and do not relentlessly attack every day. Benchmarking China against something they accept is obvious and necessary.
I really haven't seen anyone use anything other than non-chinese sources.
When the opponent provides "evidence" it is necessary to perform takedowns of that evidence. Those get lengthy. The imperial machine is outputting a MASSIVE amount of fake shit and every single one of those things has to be taken down. This is how it gets to be ridiculously lengthy.
Not a valid argument. If you point out your opponent lives in a hellish evil empire I think that's a very valid point as to why they should spend less time jerking off about China bad and more time fixing their own backyard. Also it is impossible to begin to evaluate claims and propaganda claims without understanding a little bit about how bad the US is, how evil they are and how much propaganda they've spewed, how many lies they've told to their own people. That is very relevant, in fact it's the only emotional argument from 3 that has any real bearing. Also whataboutism is not a valid logical fallacy, it's something invented by cold war journalist hacks. https://soundcloud.com/citationsneeded/episode-66-whataboutism-the-medias-favorite-rhetorical-shield-against-criticism-of-us-policy Either educate yourself about it or shut the fuck up.
What would you suggest? Western media is in lock-step. Short of the greyzone you're not going to find many western sources. Citing some sources is better than just "I feel".
That's not a good reason to believe anything. While that may be a valid debate tactic if you're getting into the nitty-gritty people are going to be hitting you with western propaganda sources, specific claims and demanding you answer to or rebut them, if your response is "China is good and America is bad and lies about everything and I feel communism will improve the world" you're going to convince exactly no one and worse make your side look even weaker as the people who witnessed it will recall it as a communist "tankie" being destroyed with facts and logic and having nothing but baseless personal appeals about feelings. That doesn't mean you can't put it in your own words and summarize for people while backing up claims with citations but you do need something other than your own words to back those up or you'll be dismissed out of hand.
Pro-tips for OP: Do not listen to ignorant liberals like this person.