Wait are they serious?
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I'm pretty ok with this?
If the right latches onto this and larps it hard enough they're liable to undo some red scare propaganda. They're liable to do to the right what Bernie did to the left with his misuse of the word socialism. Laundering socialism and communism through misuse of the terms is a positive outcome for us overall, outright rejection of us because of a century of red scare propaganda and inherited trauma from the cold war is much more beneficial for the feds than this larp.
I mean I'm not OKAY with it but I see some positives with it? If that makes any sense at all.
I don't think this grift is hooking people from the right to turn left, it's hooking people who are left-curious and turning them right
It's not turning people left that I'm interested in, it's diluting the negative feelings people have to the word "communism" that interests me.
If the right starts using the word communism in a way that is completely divorced from what communism actually is but has the effect of making a bunch of the right no longer so hard to discuss the topic with then there is a positive to take from this.
Right, but I don't think there's any situation where the right is seeing or caring what haz says. This is only being seen by left-curious or left leaning people.
I see what you mean now yeah. What I'm getting at is if they succeed in larping this into right wing use. Dark Biden style.
It would be good if that's possible, like if hinkle or haz (lol, say that without chuckling) were genuinely trying to do that. I don't really think that's what these people are trying to do, though - they're not about any movement that isn't about themselves. Fingers crossed literally any good comes from it either way!
The other danger with this is that they end up conflating fascism and communism in the eyes of liberals that ends up making it functionally harder to turn left-leaning liberals if they've been burned by hearing about these chucklefucks first.
The anti-tankie ""anarchists"" who spend all their time punching left aren't helping by going around and telling people that these people are real communists and represent what tankies are. I say that not with sectarianism in mind but because I don't really consider that crowd actually anarchist, not because I have an issue with anarchists.
I think, or hope, that the saving grace here is that absolutely nobody knows who the fuck haz or hinkle are beyond a small set of twitter or streaming people. Same with the twitter/reddit anarchists who are just libs wearing a black and red hat, I hope.
I disagree. Misusing the terms muddies the waters and makes it more difficult to have any sort of consistent and coherent messaging. People end up with bizarre definitions from niche internet circles, and you if you try to unravel the brain worms then your time has been wasted and you've been taken off-message.
Besides, it won't seriously catch on with the chuds because they offer nothing. Why get everything you want but also have to mental gymnastics to accept communist anesthetics, just to ally with an irrelevant Twitter cult, when you already have a mainstream political party indulging your every whim in the culture war? Even if these idiots somehow succeeded in their goal of being allowed to sit at the MAGA table, the moment it became an issue, they'd get dropped like a sack of potatoes.
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You know the last time a mustache dude misusing the term. Tragedy happen right?
I definitely see your point yeah. I'm just terminally jaded and pessimistic about stuff like this tbh. There is also already a subsection of national socialist fascists that may peddle leftist ideas in thought but it's also white nationalist so it really isn't comparable to other forms of socialism by being racist af.