Here is September 19th's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.

Here is September 20th's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.

Here is September 21st's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.

Here is September 23rd's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.

Here is September 24th's update! TLDR? Here's the summary.

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Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists, for the “buh Zeleski is a jew?!?!” people.

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can, thank you.


Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)

Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ Gleb Bazov, banned from Twitter, referenced pretty heavily in what remains of pro-Russian Twitter.

https://t.me/asbmil ~ ASB Military News, banned from Twitter.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday Patrick Lancaster - crowd-funded U.S journalist, mostly pro-Russian, works on the ground near warzones to report news and talk to locals.

https://t.me/riafan_everywhere ~ Think it's a government news org or Federal News Agency? Russian language.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ Front news coverage. Russian langauge.

https://t.me/rybar ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

With the entire western media sphere being overwhelming pro-Ukraine already, you shouldn't really need more, but:

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


  • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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    There's a hour-long interview/discussion session with Alexander Mercouris, Alex Christoforou, and Garland Nixon that came out a few hours ago.

    It's not really anything any of us haven't heard before. If you have an hour free and you're doing stuff around your home then it might be worth a listen.

    To summarize, their stance is that Russia and China have very deep co-operation that the "experts" in the West don't really comprehend. They believe that Russia and China's stance is that they have time and that the West does not, and so their main focus is not falling for desperate bait that is thrown at them, and reaching next year, the year after, and so on, as they will get stronger and the West is getting weaker. They will respond to desperate situations if needed but are playing for time because they know they have it. Garland Nixon is particularly impressed with Putin's response to the Kharkiv counteroffensive, because it illustrates that he knows that to be a good leader, sometimes you need to have your people begging for you to do something drastic and only then do you do it - you don't jump the gun, you have patience.

    They believe that once winter hits, the decline in Europe will be so shocking that there will be at least some changes in government in Europe, but that these changes will ultimately be more of the same (e.g. trading Conservative Party with Blue Symbol for Conservative Party with Red Symbol or vice versa) and when things fail to improve through electoralism in their Shining Democracies On The Hill, and the disillusionment which that causes can't just be coped away because they literally cannot afford to both heat themselves and eat food, and then the genuinely dangerous situation will begin.

    They go over history and note that while empires are traditionally seen as being in decline for extended periods (e.g. Rome), this hollowing out is often difficult to comprehend at the time and may not be outwardly visible, and once a real crisis hits, the actual collapse of the empire is not gradual, it's rapid.

    This part is a little weird - there are parts that I kinda agree with but I mostly disagree with it, it's not a particularly materialist way of looking at it - they talk about how people across what is imagined as the political spectrum are converging on a similar set of viewpoints - such as on the Ukraine War. I think we've all seen this, where the outright fascists and nationalists and "less sophisticated" conservatives like the MAGA people are coming to a few of the same ideas and conclusions that the left is coming to, such as on Russia. But they talk about this through the lens of a narrative-based politics versus a fact-based politics, and that the chuds that aren't in power, the group I just mentioned, are seeking facts rather than the narrative that the neocons and the neolibs are seeking. And here, Garland Nixon makes an analogy that the current... state of affairs, to put it broadly, is like a three-headed hydra with neoconservativism, neoliberalism, and wokeism. Any time I hear the word "wokeism" or "woke" unironically used then I immediately think "Oh, nevermind, this person is a dipshit who has no idea what the fuck they're even talking about", which is why this is the weakest section.

    They talk about how the West thinks that the financial magic and GDP pumping that they do every day is actually real, and so have completely lost sight of the actual material basis of economies; natural gas, food, energy, etc. They point out that even if Europe survives the winter - and "survive" means something different to every individual person so "everybody isn't dead" could be counted as victory and owning Putler - historically, famines happen in spring. Winter will be bad, Spring might be where shit really starts collapsing.

      • AssadCurse [none/use name]
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        Even if they meant that, the cynical identity politic shield that Democrats use is a tactic, not a force of its own. It’s not “one of the heads of the hydra” so to speak.

        Neoliberalism and neoconservatism are barely distinguishable from each other at this point. They basically are just describing the domestic and foreign policy consensus of the west respectively. Pretty much everyone who could be described as a “neocon” holds neoliberal economic views, and everyone who could be described as “neolib” holds imperialist foreign policy views. There’s no real point distinguishing between them as separate groups.

        So really it’s just a 1-headed hydra and that head is Imperialist Monopoly Capital, the “center” that holds control over all western political parties

      • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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        They didn't go into any great detail on the idea, but I err on the side of - if you use "wokeism" unironically then you also probably have an unnuanced view on what that means and so aren't talking about the same thing that we criticize, e.g. the Democrats' response to the BLM protests. Like, the language being used in the first place is what gives it away.

        It's the same as when people trash the "green agenda" in Europe or America. I am also deeply critical of what the neoliberals are doing to decarbonize - when they even are, because the G20 broadly isn't. As such I have a nuanced opinion on the kinds of anti-climate initiative protests that you sometimes see, in that while they're used extremely cynically by climate change deniers to say "Hey! See! We're the real champions of the working class!", and while some or even many of the people in them are reactionary chuds, the fundamental idea is true that neoliberal governments are so corrupt and inept and driven by the profit motive that they are unable to properly utilize their economies to help people and will instead likely hurt them while trying to deal with the climate crisis. However, if you're complaining about a green agenda and you've previously exhibited conservative opinions, it's unlikely that you have that nuanced take and are instead at best a "capitalism will fix this all, listen to the wise fossil fuel CEOs, they know what to do!" kind of person and at worst a "climate change isn't real/is naturally caused/is good actually, we need to increase the number of coal and oil power plants, not get rid of them! CO2 makes plants grow gooder!" kind of person.

    • trompete [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Can someone put a label on these people's ideology? Are these Dugin brainworms? Is this some kind of anti-US nationalism? What is it?

      • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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        I honestly think that they're liberals/conservatives that had enough integrity to not follow everybody else of their ideology into the Unequivocal Support For Ukraine line and accept some truths about the current world but not enough integrity to fundamentally rethink their ideology.

        Most people of a certain specialization have some line of insight that they can add to our understanding, from the chuddiest chud who knows a ton about artillery to the libbiest lib who knows a ton about financial policy. I think that you just need to draw mental line whenever they start talking about politics beyond that, or if they start making "And the reason things are like this and terrible is because of Joe freaking Biden and the X agenda!"

        • trompete [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Dunno they seem kinda fasc to me. I saw that video of Alexander Mercuris (or is that the other guy?) talk about that Putin speech some weeks ago and he happily emphasized every time Putin said "globalist".

          Their logo is some sort of golden 🛡️ with wings, which looks more monarchist rather than fash I guess.

          Someone out of that orbit interviewed that American guy, a Professor in Moscow, who it turns out translated one of Dugin's books.