Shut up! SHUT UP! SHUT UUUUUP!!! :matt-jokerfied:
Just get a fucking rom!!! Go to Google and you can have the game on your hard drive in 5 minutes! Chances are your "incredibly rare" cult classic is playable with a high degree of accuracy. Even if you dislike emulation, you can just burn a disc, put the game on internal storage or use an Evercart depending on the system.
We don't have to pretend we need to hunt down decades-old pieces plastic to access old video games. What's that? Kuon for PS2 is really rare and expensive? Well I'm going to go download it right now to spite your collector brainworms... AND IT WILL BE 100% FREE OF CHARGE
Collectors are a scourge on the hobby, the drive the prices up and gatekeep retro gaming from new generations to enjoy. Death to consumerism, pirate everything, perfect emulation now!
That's kinda the thing though, they don't. Because emulation exists :chad:
I'd love to own a physical collection of retro games and systems if prices were reasonable but thanks to collector bazinga brains it's hard to do. But yeah, thank god for emulation. And emulation has come such a long way in recent years, with major gains being made in the field.
Even original Xbox emulation is finally coming along. Soon, everyone can play, uh... Blinx the Time Sweeper?
Waiting for Steel Battalion to be emulatable on PC. Playing that with a cheap keyboard with labelled stickers on the keys and two cheap joysticks would be a blast and not cost $600.
Isn't that game a case where the stupid controller is why you play the game in the first place though
I assume it would be possible to make a 3d-printed version of the stupid controller with some cheap hardware.
So you would be a collector if it weren't for all those other pesky collectors buying stuff?
Yes!! But not really, I'd like to have a small collection of shit I actually enjoy playing and not just some shelf with my toys on it for reddit karma. That's what irks me, they pay big money and drive up the prices for games they don't play.
Shelf collectors will buy like a complete N64 set off of eBay for tens of thousands of dollars and then get bored 6 months later and sell it all.
perfect emulation now!
nintendo "stole" rom dumps from the community
Not just Nintendo, AFAIK plenty of official NES mini style devices from other companies use fan-dumped roms and emulators
tbf, on sites like Resetera, it's literally a bannable offense to acknowledge piracy, so everyone has to pretend the only way to play old games is to buy extremely expensive old copies or wait decades for a re-release. There's some wink-wink-nudge-nudge at work here.
I've been downloading roms for games that my parents were too poor to get me for about 25 years, bunch of fucking nerds buying physical media.
The transfer chaining is pretty cool but... as soon as pokemon bank services go down (and it will quickly be a matter of when, not if), everything pre switch era will be cut off from the newer games... forever. :deeper-sadness:
Unfortunately that guide kind of proves my point. That guide covers all the generations present on the 3DS, 1-7.
You can't transfer those pokemon into the gen 8/Switch era of games with those instructions. Your only option without pokemon bank is to pkhex in pokemon on a hacked switch, basically recreate your gen 1-7 pokemon and put them into a switch save file.
'For the foreseeable future'? So like... another year after the 3DS eshop closes in March 2023 at most? lol
Yes the servers will still be running after the eshop goes down, but not indefinitely. Once the servers do go down, it won't be able to reach Pokemon Home, and that link between the DS and 3DS generations and the Switch will be gone.
PKHeX and PKSM support gen 8, you'd just need a hacked Switch to get to the save file.
Honestly it's pretty messed up that the only rickety bridge between the generations is fucking pokemon bank. I hope TPC or Nintendo has SOME backup plan even if it's an abomination of an amiibo or an amiibo-like peripheral. like, they WANT to sell Home subscriptions, right? Those Home subs are going to be a lot less appealing in a sandbox made up of four Switch games with a shitload of box space in each one.
From what I understand, you'll still be able to use Pokemon Bank after 2023, so long as you have it downloaded already. Which is pretty shitty since it's gonna be hard to buy a 3DS with Bank on it, but at least it's possible
This is interesting, I amassed most of a Living Dex and a fair Dream/Apriball collection before I lost interest in Pokémon a tad. What's a Masterdex?
Jesus Christ... good luck! Did you start this because you already finished the other kinds of collecting? I suppose just a regular LivingDex isn't as exciting anymore now that Johnstone has done it 70 times on stream.
This was a fairly standard console game though. I just get annoyed when people don't even mention the possibility of roms and emulation when talking about the availability of an old game.
Gamecube to the Switch
There's no GB/GBC-to-Switch pipeline? You mean I can't transfer the Mews and MewTwos me and my friends cloned with the link cable glitch in 2000 from my Silver cartridge? :sadness:
I just remembered that the battery on the cart had died when I tried booting up my old GBC while going through my old games. All those pokey mans, gone like tears in the rain
I just get annoyed when people don’t even mention the possibility of roms and emulation when talking about the availability of an old game.
In the game review space, that's because it's anywhere from an unwritten rule or straight up a written rule about talking about roms and emulation depending on how said reviewer is getting their money. Despite the fact that both are completely legal.
The only ones that do mention emulation are usually the ones that also have a bunch of contempt for big publishers to begin with.
These are just Youtubers, though I suppose some might have more professional relationships
i havent had much issue transferring mons using a save editor on PC. My living dex is actually entirely stored in a folder on my harddrive lol
Pretty sure most of these reviewers are pirating shit and just talk about where you can buy it as legal cover.
do i have brainworms if i really just don't care about if people like collecting pc games from the 90s or whatever? piracy and emulation are very cool and very good and i've been doing them for the vast majority of my life, but i fail to see collecting old games and tech as bourgeois decadence.
a lot of the time i do play old games pirated or emulated, but i dunno, i like holding old games in my hands and knowing that they were made decades ago, reading the manuals and going through old installation processes and using old controllers. from reading this thread i legitimately don't know if i'm weird for wanting to do those things.
it's cool to like games as objects, it gets weird when it's no longer about the games themselves but amassing big piles of things. you seem normal though, don't worry. I also like popping cartridges into a machine and seeing LEDs blink as part of the experience. I've built my own controllers and revived consoles from the dead before.
there's a type of thankfully rare person who will look down on emulation as inauthentic and will instead pay $1000 for an original CD before just pirating an iso image. At that point it's just weird, you know?
Me, with my hacked Switch and decent gaming PC I scored from an estate sale
People pay for games? Why?
I once caved and bought an original SNES copy of Earthbound for $500 on ebay and that's the only extravagant physical purchase of a game I've ever made. This was back when Nintendo was really weird about Earthbound, probably because of the unlicensed music samples in the soundtrack, so I admit I got worried over nothing. This was like in 2008.
Otherwise yeah, just emulate. Emulators are really good now for most things. Sega Saturn games still run a little wonky, and 3DO emulation isn't much better.
The real tragedy is the original Xbox. Emulation is still really awful for it, meaning a lot of its exclusives are gonna sit in obscurity forever. Games like Blinx, Breakdown, the Conker remake, Toejam and Earl 3, and even Dead or Alive 3. They're just kind of gone until original Xbox emulation catches up, and that scene is a lot smaller than teams working on stuff like PS2 and Wii U.
Oh, and Steel Battalion. I never got to play it but damn do I want those controllers. They're incredible :niko-wonderous:
For a lot of these g*me reviewer types getting a physical copy of a game is part collector brain and status symbol. If you want to enjoy the game for the sake of enjoying the game there is basically no reason not to download the ROM save in those rare cases where that specific game doesn't emulate well or there is no emulator at all. And these days those limitations are rapidly shrinking
even if the emulator doesn't work for a particular game, most of the time you can just bypass the copy protection and load the rom onto a fake cart/cd/whatever, no forking money over to a bazinga brain needed
I just like playing them on the classic hardware if I can. There's a big market where I live for bootleg versions of old consoles that are basically emulators anyway. I have two for the PS1 and Sega Dreamcast.
Definitely, but they're an ever-increasingly limited resource and not realistically available to everyone
Oh yeah fair enough. There are some games I'll want physical copies of eventually, but emulating is the way to go in the meantime
There are some interesting horror games I'd like physical copies of on the PS2, but that's not gonna happen any time soon
I remember trying to hunt down a copy of MGS3 Subsistence in physical shops a year or two after release, even went to a neighbouring town. Never found one, but I was happy to finally play with the new camera when the HD collection came out. I was ready to plop down like 100 euros for a copy, lol
Complete stupidity
Are they though? Carts and cds aren't very stable as storage media.
