• Yor [she/her]
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    7 months ago

    Without the support of Congress, it will be "difficult" for Ukraine to win, "even to stay," Zelenskyy said in a video meeting with fundraising supporters, including Mark Hamill and billionaire Richard Branson.

    Nightmare blunt rotation

    Anyway, wow! You mean every time Russia was said to be slowing down or taking unsustainable levels of casualties wasn't entirely true? Wow! surprised-pika

    • 420stalin69
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      7 months ago

      I think the weakness of Ukraine is also narrative.

      Whatever narrative they push, it’s completely unrelated to the truth.

      When they wanted western sympathy and when the western funds were rolling, it was the plucky tractor brigade killing Russians at $1.40 a kill.

      Now that they aren’t getting another aid package, the front lines are about to collapse and Russia will be in Warsaw by summer.

      It’s all bullshit. As in it’s unrelated to the truth. The truth has no relationship to what Zelenskyy says.

      The fact Ukraine is starting to push an imminent collapse narrative is a key factor in me believing collapse is not in fact imminent.

      • dragonfly4933@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        7 months ago

        You are right, you can't use only information Ukraine or Russia provides. But it probably is the case that Ukraine was stomping Russia for pennies on the dollar earlier in the war. However, Russia is not a static force. They learn and change their tactics, and Russia spends more resources now than they did earlier.

        It would be a grave mistake to stop aid to Ukraine while they are still willing and able to fight.

        • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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          7 months ago

          It would be a grave mistake to stop aid to Ukraine while they are still willing and able to fight.

          While who is still willing to fight? The conscripted who are forced to fight or the neonazis who volunteered to fight?

        • 420stalin69
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          7 months ago

          But it probably is the case that Ukraine was stomping Russia for pennies on the dollar earlier in the war.

          When the aid was flowing the narrative was that this was a “good investment” which is why they sold you with this “pennies on the dollar” angle.

          Put down the slava pipe and have a look at what the cost basis is for western military gear vs Russian stuff. It’s rarely better than 5:1 even for basic stuff like shells and advanced stuff runs at around 10:1. The idea that it was “pennies on the dollar” is crazy shit.

          It’s all narrative. It doesn’t have a relationship to facts on the ground. It’s a sales pitch.

        • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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          7 months ago

          pennies on the dollar

          Psychopathic framing. "Look how efficiently we're killing people!"

          Also great example of conflating states with people. Maybe Ukraine still wants to fight, but Ukrainians are being conscripted against their will. In the same way, wearing Russia down may serve the interests of the US government, but it certainly doesn't benefit the American people in any way. The best thing for the Ukrainian people would be to stop the killing at any cost, even if it meant territorial concessions. They could've saved countless lives if they'd done this from the start, and eventually that's what's going to happen anyway, but unfortunately countless people have died and countless more will before the ruling class decides to stop forcing the poor into the meat grinder.

          How the fuck is my life supposed to be better because of dead Russian soldiers?

        • PosadistInevitablity [he/him]
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          7 months ago

          The West has spent many times Russias military budget and hundreds of thousands of soldiers only to lose the war.

          Russia will likely gain several states worth of land.

          Unsure how this is a “good deal”, even in the most psychopathic framing possible. I’d think that would mean Russia is getting the good deal in that case? They have spent far less and gained actual winnings.

        • Guamer [she/her]
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          7 months ago

          Not shocking being a Hollywood guy, though I do really like his work as Luke/The Jonkler

          • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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            7 months ago

            Everyone's allowed a couple problematic faves. My favorite turn-brain-off movie is still Anchorman, even though they drop their first R-word about 90 seconds into the film.

    • caveman@lemmy.ml
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      7 months ago

      That was propaganda. Without it people would say "why wasting money if they will lose anyway?"