• @istanbullu@lemmy.ml
    hexbear
    79
    3 months ago

    It is a bad idea to trust and rely on Ameeica. Some Afgans learned this lesson in 2021, the same is happening to Ukraine now.

  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
    hexbear
    73
    3 months ago

    "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
    hexbear
    68
    3 months ago

    I was wondering how the media was going to explain the collapse in Ukraine when it finally becomes impossible to hide it, and now we know. The whole thing is going to be blamed on republicans holding up money in congress, as if pouring another 61 billion after all the untold billions that were already poured into this was going to make any difference. The fact that people genuinely believe this is frankly depressing. It shows just how utterly credulous and mentally deficient western public is.

  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
    hexbear
    62
    3 months ago

    NATO is seeking to take control of decision-making powers on future aid packages — normally led by the US — in an effort to limit the impact of a potential second Donald Trump presidency on the ongoing conflict.

    This is wild. It's bad enough that the US president has the power to start wars wherever he wants with no congressional approval. But now they're trying to make it so that the only people with the authority to withdraw from a conflict are unelected NATO officials accountable to no one.

    Dronies will support this, because they love endless war across the globe and want to remove any potential for popular support to achieve peace.

  • Yor [she/her]
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    58
    edit-2
    3 months ago

    Without the support of Congress, it will be "difficult" for Ukraine to win, "even to stay," Zelenskyy said in a video meeting with fundraising supporters, including Mark Hamill and billionaire Richard Branson.

    Nightmare blunt rotation

    Anyway, wow! You mean every time Russia was said to be slowing down or taking unsustainable levels of casualties wasn't entirely true? Wow! surprised-pika

    • @420stalin69
      hexbear
      32
      3 months ago

      I think the weakness of Ukraine is also narrative.

      Whatever narrative they push, it’s completely unrelated to the truth.

      When they wanted western sympathy and when the western funds were rolling, it was the plucky tractor brigade killing Russians at $1.40 a kill.

      Now that they aren’t getting another aid package, the front lines are about to collapse and Russia will be in Warsaw by summer.

      It’s all bullshit. As in it’s unrelated to the truth. The truth has no relationship to what Zelenskyy says.

      The fact Ukraine is starting to push an imminent collapse narrative is a key factor in me believing collapse is not in fact imminent.

      • @dragonfly4933@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        hexbear
        1
        3 months ago

        You are right, you can't use only information Ukraine or Russia provides. But it probably is the case that Ukraine was stomping Russia for pennies on the dollar earlier in the war. However, Russia is not a static force. They learn and change their tactics, and Russia spends more resources now than they did earlier.

        It would be a grave mistake to stop aid to Ukraine while they are still willing and able to fight.

        • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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          edit-2
          3 months ago

          It would be a grave mistake to stop aid to Ukraine while they are still willing and able to fight.

          While who is still willing to fight? The conscripted who are forced to fight or the neonazis who volunteered to fight?

        • @420stalin69
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          26
          edit-2
          3 months ago

          But it probably is the case that Ukraine was stomping Russia for pennies on the dollar earlier in the war.

          When the aid was flowing the narrative was that this was a “good investment” which is why they sold you with this “pennies on the dollar” angle.

          Put down the slava pipe and have a look at what the cost basis is for western military gear vs Russian stuff. It’s rarely better than 5:1 even for basic stuff like shells and advanced stuff runs at around 10:1. The idea that it was “pennies on the dollar” is crazy shit.

          It’s all narrative. It doesn’t have a relationship to facts on the ground. It’s a sales pitch.

        • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
          hexbear
          22
          3 months ago

          pennies on the dollar

          Psychopathic framing. "Look how efficiently we're killing people!"

          Also great example of conflating states with people. Maybe Ukraine still wants to fight, but Ukrainians are being conscripted against their will. In the same way, wearing Russia down may serve the interests of the US government, but it certainly doesn't benefit the American people in any way. The best thing for the Ukrainian people would be to stop the killing at any cost, even if it meant territorial concessions. They could've saved countless lives if they'd done this from the start, and eventually that's what's going to happen anyway, but unfortunately countless people have died and countless more will before the ruling class decides to stop forcing the poor into the meat grinder.

          How the fuck is my life supposed to be better because of dead Russian soldiers?

        • PosadistInevitablity [he/him]
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          10
          edit-2
          3 months ago

          The West has spent many times Russias military budget and hundreds of thousands of soldiers only to lose the war.

          Russia will likely gain several states worth of land.

          Unsure how this is a “good deal”, even in the most psychopathic framing possible. I’d think that would mean Russia is getting the good deal in that case? They have spent far less and gained actual winnings.

        • Guamer [she/her]
          hexbear
          16
          3 months ago

          Not shocking being a Hollywood guy, though I do really like his work as Luke/The Jonkler

          • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
            hexbear
            5
            3 months ago

            Everyone's allowed a couple problematic faves. My favorite turn-brain-off movie is still Anchorman, even though they drop their first R-word about 90 seconds into the film.

        • mihor@lemmy.ml
          hexbear
          4
          3 months ago

          Not just a shitlib but also a (probably inadvertent) nazi supporter.

    • @caveman@lemmy.ml
      hexbear
      6
      3 months ago

      That was propaganda. Without it people would say "why wasting money if they will lose anyway?"

    • Ahri Boy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      hexbear
      3
      3 months ago

      Yeah, giving the five bordering regions of Russia to Ukraine, including Belgorod would be the best compensation.

      • PosadistInevitablity [he/him]
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        17
        edit-2
        3 months ago

        Unfortunately for the Ukrainian people, this attitude you and the rest of the West hold has lead them to utter disaster.

        If you could back it up with actual military success, it’d be reasonable.

        But instead, all of Europe and the US is about to lose to post Soviet Russia, and Ukraine has paid the price.

      • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
        hexbear
        10
        edit-2
        3 months ago

        Yeah, that tends to happen when you get you provoke a war then get your shit stomped. All this could have been avoided if the West kept their dick out of the former Eastern Bloc over the last couple decades, but they didn't, and this is where we ended up. We fucked up their country, and they get to pay the consequences for our actions.

        The "I'm not hitting you! I'm not hitting you! Look! I'm not hitting you, nyah nyah!... mmMMMMOOOOOMMMMMMMM HE HIT ME! HE STARTED IT!" defense doesn't work if you're a fucking country.

  • Lad@reddthat.com
    hexbear
    13
    3 months ago

    Countries will get fed up of sending aid to Ukraine long before Russia decides to return its annexed territories. We're already seeing signs of that.

    If NATO isn't willing to go in and force the Russians out themselves, I fail to see how this war is anything but a net gain for Russia. They will just sit back and let their "new territories" become more and more Russified.

    To me, the aid is just a delaying tactic to allow Ukraine to continue fighting until the west can figure out a way to accept that Ukraine has lost its territories without losing face.

    It's a shit show, but I don't share the optimism that a lot of people have for a Ukrainian victory. It's like a game of chess, and it's currently Ukraine/NATOs turn, because the Russians are already dug in.

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      33
      edit-2
      3 months ago

      They will just sit back and let their "new territories" become more and more Russified.

      The majority people who live there and have always lived there are Russian

      It's like a game of chess,

      No it really isn't. Its a proxy war forced by US aggression (2014 coup and NATO encirlement). The US achieved its primary goals - 1) to stop its European vassals (primarily Germany) from gaining energy independence through trade with the Russian Federation and get them back in line 2) to sell old weapon stocks/war profiteering for defense industry and make room for new weapons stores/more profits for defense industry.

      The fact they've met these goals is the main reason why funding will stop, because there is no reason to fund Ukraine anymore. The US has won - Ukraine was always going to lose in this scenario.

    • @caveman@lemmy.ml
      hexbear
      3
      3 months ago

      Ukraine=Palestine. Noone will fight for ir and will get robbed by the powerful bandit, Israel (Rússia).

      Except that US politicians pretend it's the opposite

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
          hexbear
          22
          3 months ago

          But have you considered Zelenskyyyyyyy = Iron Man and Putin = Thanos? Probably not. Back to your echo chamber now tankie smuglord

          • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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            23
            edit-2
            3 months ago

            The echo chamber/bubble trope is hilarious because we’re exposed to exactly the same media they are. They’re working with a subset of the information we are and then say we’re in a bubble.

            • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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              18
              edit-2
              3 months ago

              For libs, its only propaganda if they disagree with it. If they agree with it then its just objective facts and journalism so-true

        • @InputZero@lemmy.ml
          hexbear
          1
          3 months ago

          What's Marvel brain? I tried looking it up but just got a bunch of marvel characters with large heads.

          • davel [he/him]@lemmy.ml
            hexbear
            5
            edit-2
            3 months ago

            Idealist, cartoonish, black & white, good vs. evil thinking. Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists thinking.

            Imperial core governments and the corporate media present to us a cartoonish, Marvel Cinematic Universe version of the world that serves the capitalist class’ interests, particularly their imperialist interests. Inventing Reality and Manufacturing Consent laid this out almost 40 years ago.

            Ukraine=good=democracy, Russia=bad=authoritarian. Russia’s invasion was unprovoked because history began on Feb. 24, 2022. Russia is doing genocide (bullshit), never mind the previous decade of Ukraine-backed neonazis genociding the people of the Donbas; or that, for 30 years, people from Noam Chomsky to Jeffrey Sachs to Henry Kissinger warned against breaking our promise not to expand NATO eastward toward Russia. Russia is an oligarchy, never mind Ukraine’s oligarchic coup government that the US installed a decade ago. Ukraine is a democracy, never mind that it has suspended opposition parties and cancelled elections.

      • @robinn_IV
        hexbear
        37
        3 months ago

        It’s absolutely absurd to compare the Western settler colony of Israel’s “relationship” with Palestine to the Russia’s relationship with Ukraine. Israel, since its inception, has been oriented towards the subjugation, displacement, and slaughter of Palestinians as a whole, whereas Russia is responding to Western-backed Nazi aggressors. Investigate Operation Aerodynamic, NATO’s Operation Gladio, the US and Nazi role in the 2014 coup, hell what do you mean nobody will fight for Ukraine? The CIA have trained soldiers and there has been billions sent in aid by the US.

      • @420stalin69
        hexbear
        28
        3 months ago

        Donbas = Palestine if Palestine had a powerful friend to kick Israel out of Gaza.