https://twitter.com/thinkiamsad/status/1779199235612627116

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      7 months ago

      The fun thing is I was yelling about this years ago; Nick and Nora are American war criminals and Beth portrays them as a happy little couple in a happy little leave it to beaver suburb instead of actually engaging with the story. Coming out and claiming "akshually we intended this all along!" just confirms that they were cowards who understood what they were doing but didn't have the balls to make the MC a war criminal.

      • RNAi [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        The War Veterans Hall in FO4 has a document saying "oh we are so eager to hear Nate talk"

        So yes, he absolutely was megaHitler

      • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        The intro to Fallout 4 showed definitively that BGS does not fucking understand the meaning of "war never changes"

    • Guamer [she/her]
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      7 months ago

      She really did ruin those kinds of retcons, didn't she

      • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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        7 months ago

        Like, it could have been something like "Nate was stationed at Anchorage during the actual events of Operation Anchorage" or something innocuous like that

        But no, it's literally one of the defining moments of the series

        A moment which establishes how fucked up the US is

        And just gleefully pointing and being like "That's you", as if that's something cool

        Fucking wizards pooping on the floor and teleporting it away

  • invo_rt [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    Regardless of who owns the IP, it's fanfiction

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      7 months ago

      I have come around to the rigid and dogmatic belief that all fiction is fan fiction and authorship isn't very important.

      • SSJ2Marx
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        7 months ago

        Back in the Star Wars EU days my mantra was "it's canon of you want it to be" because the official thing where different sources had different levels of canon created massive unresolved contradictions anyway.

      • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        Also canon is not at all important when compared to just telling a good story

        • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]
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          7 months ago

          canon is just continuity from a more zoomed out perspective, you a gOoD sToRy freaks wouldn't tolerate that shit in an individual story unless it was deliberately using it as a device, you shouldn't accept it in worldbuilding.

          • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            Which could or could not be important to the story in question. Setting continuity is not important in the movie where John Wick shoots 187 people in the face because he's mad about his dog

            Star Trek is one of my favorite IPs and they took canon out back and shot it in the head on day one

            • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]
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              7 months ago

              the dog one is the first story, it literally only could have internal issues.

              but once you have a sequel or second episode it's always important to the story, because fucking it up undermines everything. You can go full dexter's lab and reset everything every time, but once you put on the mantle of continuity and ask us to care about events over time then you owe us better than voyager. A "good story" that ignores all the other ones and in turn be ignored by them isn't actually good.

          • invo_rt [he/him]
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            7 months ago

            I agree with you. Rhetorically, what is the demarcation between a one-off story and a greater world?

  • Amerikan Pharaoh@lemmygrad.ml
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    7 months ago

    And this is why I play with one of those cute little "alternate start" mods so I don't have to be a war criminal. My wastelander was a regular ass vaultie who just got really good with lasers; and wants to tell Maxson's fascist ass to dance.

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    7 months ago

    If they weren't cowards they would have had you actually do this in the intro and then pulled the camera back to show Tim Horton's.

    • Rom [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      Someone drops their bottle of maple syrup in shock.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        7 months ago

        Bottle of maple syrup rolling down the stairs in slow-mo battleship potempkin style.

  • laziestflagellant [they/them]
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    7 months ago

    I never play as Nate so all this time I've been saying 'lol lmao' at his dead corpse in the icebox out of heterophobia when I could have been going 'lol lmao' because some dumb fascist war criminal got owned.

  • Ossay [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    confirming my assertion that 95% of video game writers are dumb

    • IMF_DOOM [she/her, undecided]
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      7 months ago

      My "Nate is NOT a war criminal!" shirt is raising a lot of questions already answered by the shirt

    • ashinadash [she/her]
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      7 months ago

      > guy who writes the games now

      >"Not every bit of Fallout info I share is automatically canon!"

      Heard it here first, Fallout 3 simply didn't happen. It's just a bit of Fallout Info he shared.

    • CrispyFern [fae/faer, any]
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      7 months ago

      I know they're supposed to be unflattering, but I can't help but love the evolution of smug wojaks smuglord

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      Posting this when he has a groyper pfp sure is something.

  • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    Emil Pagliarulo is so incredibly fucking stupid he doesn't even pronounce his own last name correctly

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    7 months ago

    this would be an interesting decision if they had actually made it in the game and also if bethesda knew how to write a character.

    • laziestflagellant [they/them]
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      7 months ago

      Nate and Nora are war criminals + Nate/Nora (the player character) is a synth with constructed memories of Shaun's idealized version of his parents could have been something interesting to base the MSQ around

  • RION [she/her]
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    7 months ago

    I was going to say "obviously he was joking, I am Emil Pagliarulo's strongest hater but he's not that ridiculous " only to find that he was not, in fact, joking.

    I'm willing to accept that he was (poorly) trying to say the soldier from FO1 was the inspiration for one of the types of people Nate could be giving the broad template of "veteran"

    • notceps [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      I mean this is pretty much Emil though, he is very much an 'improv' or 'yes and...' writer imo, that's why some of the missions he designed in thief 2 are so good because there's just a lot to discover, that style just doesn't work for narratives and stuff like we can see here.

    • thelastaxolotl [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      So one of the main devs for Fallout 4 revealed as a fun fact that the protagonist in Fallout 4 was one of the armour soldiers from the intro of Fallout 1 where they execute a canadian prisoner of war, so according to the geneva convention that constitutes a war crime since the protag participated in the execution by not stopping it

      • Aryuproudomenowdaddy [comrade/them]
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        7 months ago

        How does that even work. Weren't they frozen as the bombs were falling, didn't wake up for 200 years and would have missed the events of the other games.

        • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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          7 months ago

          The intro to Fallout 1 shows an in-universe news program depicting events from the US annexation of Canada, which happened between 2072 and 2077. The dev is saying the male protagonist from Fallout 4 is one of the soldiers in the footage executing a Canadian insurgent.

          So at some point the male protag was in the US army sometime around 2072. The bombs fall in 2077, he's frozen, then he's awoken in 2287.