These teens are getting roped into neo-fascism in absence of Marxist guidance showing them what the “matrix” actually represents. Vulnerable young men are getting told that yes, corporations are oppressing them, and yes, the US government is a puppet of the rich - but the solution being presented to them is to become an exploiter themselves rather than any form of class solidarity or dialectical materialism. I really feel like this “escape the matrix” rhetoric is the kind of thing we can capitalise on instead of just standing idly by as young men have their very real grievances with modern life twisted into something wholly unhealthy

There really needs to be some solid communist dating advice for these young men, other than "just be yourself" and "be a good person" kind of stuff. Like real, concrete steps on how a guy can be diverted from the incel/pua/tate path. Tbh a lot of the pua advice is common sense stuff (try to groom yourself well, don't be afraid to put yourself out there, etc.).

I remember there were some good comments in a thread somewhere here (I'm pretty sure it was on c/menby but I can't seem to find it)

  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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    2 years ago

    I just don’t understand why, if we all agree that people need meaningful & positive social lives within a definite community to be healthy in body & mind; I don’t understand why those things can’t be articulated as rights.

    We can't secure the outcomes as rights, but we can secure reasonable opportunities and support as rights.

    I don't think you have the thought process of an incel. Incels reify gender essentialism and actively blame other people. It is human to have a desire for other human beings, and to feel frustrated when there is no outlet for this and the desires go nowhere. Although I have dated a few people starting in my 20s, I have been in your shoes. And I agree that we should be building a society where people are free to associate with each other, discover each other, trust in each other, fall in love with each other. We can't guarantee that it happens, but we can tip the scales in that direction.

    I was shocked at how people here called you "incel" for expressing your frustrations constructively and thoughtfully. It was a stark difference between the sentiment in the post yesterday with the "[how to go about] Fucking Trans Women" zine.

    Again, I'd be happy to chat privately, or even play some vidya with you - that was a form of socialization that kept me sane when I was a hermit. :meow-hug:

    • SadStruggle92 [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      It was a stark difference between the sentiment in the post yesterday with the “[how to go about] Fucking Trans Women” zine.

      The what now?

      :jesse-wtf:

      Again, I’d be happy to chat privately, or even play some vidya with you - that was a form of socialization that kept me sane when I was a hermit.

      Okay, so you've made this offer to me a couple times in dms & elsewhere. I'm not exactly upset by it, and I do appreciate you going out of your way to engage positively with me here, but I'm not 100% interested right now. I am actually moving forward with some of my own independent life-plans rn; and things may not get strictly "better", but they're changing & I want to try to continue pursuing things on my own rn. I hope you understand, y'know.

      • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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        2 years ago

        The what now?

        https://hexbear.net/post/230108

        Not that high-profile but still fresh in my mind. "I hope every other progressive-minded person finds fulfilment too" is a good take.

        And I just wanted to make sure there was something going for you. I don't want anyone to be alone -- besides the committed, lifelong reactionaries who are too far gone.