Praviy Sector flag is not the same as ancom flag being flown on some Russian tanks. Sometimes the Right Sector flag comes without the white text which makes it extra ambiguous. Ukrainian insurgent army also uses that flag. But if you ask anyone flying it they'll say it's "Blood and Soil."
Other Ukrainian groups that are explicitly fascist (as opposed to implicitly, which is practically every non-banned party at this point) include:
One question people have is, why so many groups? Why is there no United Front for this type of thing? Well, these guys split into so many groups because they disagree on a lot of stuff. Some are Orthodox Christian. Others are Pagan. Some are secular. Some are Pan-Slavic. Others identify more heavily with the West. Some hate Roma more than Jews. Some hate Jews more than Roma. They disagree on economics sometimes. They disagree on which countries to accept aid from, etc.
Ukrainian National Assembly - the guy who runs this, Dmitro Korchynsky, had a total mask-off interview where he admitted the reason the fascists in Ukraine tolerant a Jew as president is because they know it makes them look less bigoted to the 1st world liberals sending them money and weapons.
"They tolerate Jews for entirely cynical purposes therefore they aren't Nazis" from the same people who brought you "Stalin and Hitler signed the MR Pact and invaded Poland so they must have been best buddies".
yeah this whole year has felt like god is tripping on some research chemicals. I find myself :heartbreaking: agreeing :heartbreaking: with freaks like Kissinger and Sachs about how the West has gone too far with this war while people like :wtyp-gang: have totally standard lib takes on this shit. And the media is doing a propaganda push that feels like it dwarfs the Iraq war in terms of its one-sidedness.
Russian-speaking separatist regions in the East (who ironically voted for Zelensky more than any other part of the country).
This was because Zelensky ran as a peace candidate who would end the war in Donbas. Also, the separatist regions couldn't vote, it was the Russian speaking areas that had stayed in Ukraine that voted for an end to the war.
You should also add National Corps to the list. They're what Patriot of Ukraine turned into and were also founded by Andriy Biletsky (founder of Azov), I've seen their symbol used in Ukraine. C14 is also known as Sich battalion and is always reported as such in the west to avoid awkward question about what the 14 stands for.
Also, the separatist regions couldn’t vote, it was the Russian speaking areas that had stayed in Ukraine that voted for an end to the war.
I thought Donetsk and Luhansk could vote? Crimea couldn't. When I say "separatist regions" I mean regions with heavy separatist presence, not Crimea, which had already separated. The election map I linked showed that Donetsk and Luhansk voted overwhelmingly for Zelensky.
You should also add National Corps to the list. They’re what Patriot of Ukraine turned into and were also founded by Andriy Biletsky (founder of Azov), I’ve seen their symbol used in Ukraine. C14 is also known as Sich battalion and is always reported as such in the west to avoid awkward question about what the 14 stands for.
The parts of Donbas that didn't (successfully) separate from Ukraine could vote, the parts that did successfully separate and become the Donbas republics could not vote for Zelensky. I may have misunderstood you as there are a lot of ways to draw a political map of Ukraine. We have the actual separatist regions that turned into the Donbas republics, the regions where there was a separatist uprising that was crushed (Mariupol and Lysychansk most famously), regions with significant separatist sentiment but without large uprisings, separatist and Russia sympathetic regions , Russian speaking regions , and finally Crimea.
Praviy Sector flag is not the same as ancom flag being flown on some Russian tanks. Sometimes the Right Sector flag comes without the white text which makes it extra ambiguous. Ukrainian insurgent army also uses that flag. But if you ask anyone flying it they'll say it's "Blood and Soil."
Other Ukrainian groups that are explicitly fascist (as opposed to implicitly, which is practically every non-banned party at this point) include:
Reminder also that most of these groups are concentrated in the West around Lviv. It was these areas that voted heavily against Zelensky and hoped for the re-election of Poroshenko (the US-backed coup leader from 2014).. It was these groups that most strongly militarized against the Russian-speaking separatist regions in the East (who ironically voted for Zelensky more than any other part of the country).
One question people have is, why so many groups? Why is there no United Front for this type of thing? Well, these guys split into so many groups because they disagree on a lot of stuff. Some are Orthodox Christian. Others are Pagan. Some are secular. Some are Pan-Slavic. Others identify more heavily with the West. Some hate Roma more than Jews. Some hate Jews more than Roma. They disagree on economics sometimes. They disagree on which countries to accept aid from, etc.
"They tolerate Jews
for entirely cynical purposestherefore they aren't Nazis" from the same people who brought you "Stalin and Hitler signed the MR Pact and invaded Poland so they must have been best buddies".Nuance is hard.
yeah this whole year has felt like god is tripping on some research chemicals. I find myself :heartbreaking: agreeing :heartbreaking: with freaks like Kissinger and Sachs about how the West has gone too far with this war while people like :wtyp-gang: have totally standard lib takes on this shit. And the media is doing a propaganda push that feels like it dwarfs the Iraq war in terms of its one-sidedness.
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This was because Zelensky ran as a peace candidate who would end the war in Donbas. Also, the separatist regions couldn't vote, it was the Russian speaking areas that had stayed in Ukraine that voted for an end to the war.
You should also add National Corps to the list. They're what Patriot of Ukraine turned into and were also founded by Andriy Biletsky (founder of Azov), I've seen their symbol used in Ukraine. C14 is also known as Sich battalion and is always reported as such in the west to avoid awkward question about what the 14 stands for.
I thought Donetsk and Luhansk could vote? Crimea couldn't. When I say "separatist regions" I mean regions with heavy separatist presence, not Crimea, which had already separated. The election map I linked showed that Donetsk and Luhansk voted overwhelmingly for Zelensky.
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The parts of Donbas that didn't (successfully) separate from Ukraine could vote, the parts that did successfully separate and become the Donbas republics could not vote for Zelensky. I may have misunderstood you as there are a lot of ways to draw a political map of Ukraine. We have the actual separatist regions that turned into the Donbas republics, the regions where there was a separatist uprising that was crushed (Mariupol and Lysychansk most famously), regions with significant separatist sentiment but without large uprisings, separatist and Russia sympathetic regions , Russian speaking regions , and finally Crimea.