yup, struggle session time

edit: no one is right, everyone is wrong :^)

edit 2: this post is actually dedicated to Amy Goodman, please stop trying to sound cool grandma

    • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
      5·
      4 years ago

      Good to know only US Hispanics are dealing with this issue and that they're a socioeconomical monolith, very cool.

        • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
          8·
          4 years ago

          That you educate yourself, this is something I personally have seen being discussed and done by feminist and progressive groups in my own country.

                • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
                  6·
                  4 years ago

                  It's different when it comes to the country since it's, you know, a country. But if you want to call it that way to own the "woke" queers and people that don't fit the forced binaries in Latin America because you're a Smart, Good Leftist, go ahead.

              • hopefulmulberry [none/use name]
                2·
                4 years ago

                Then you'll know gender neutral language is even more controversial in Latin America and not majority supported even in left circles, so do you really need me to get a poll from there?

                I'll be real with you. I don't know any enbies and I'm neutral towards the idea of gender neutral language itself. The whole framing around this does come from the US, and it is a huge imposition, and the fact that there are some people in Latin America who adopt this regardless of this fact doesn't do much for me. All I know is I'm allowed to be mad at the fact that bougie hipsters from America have more of a voice than 99% of regular people put together, and I don't care what anyone else thinks.

                • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
                  1·
                  4 years ago

                  Then you’ll know gender neutral language is even more controversial in Latin America and not majority supported even in left circles, so do you really need me to get a poll from there?

                  Women having the choice of abortion is also controversial in Latin America and you'd be surprised how many so-called progressives here would believe in some conservative trash while claiming to give a fuck, but here we are, having to be nuanced, cus your average anglo cannot be bothered to shut up and listen.

                  • hopefulmulberry [none/use name]
                    ·
                    4 years ago

                    I don't really understand what you're trying to say with this comment. Sorry, I'm kinda dizzy cuz I'm getting a bunch of replies and I'm not used to that haha

                • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
                  ·
                  4 years ago

                  I’ll be real with you. I don’t know any enbies and I’m neutral towards the idea of gender neutral language itself. Then why oh why do you think your opinion has any weight to a bunch of people you don't even know about?!

                  The whole framing around this does come from the US, and it is a huge imposition, and the fact that there are some people in Latin America who adopt this regardless of this fact doesn’t do much for me. All I know is I’m allowed to be mad at the fact that bougie hipsters from America have more of a voice than 99% of regular people put together, and I don’t care what anyone else thinks. Don't care where it comes from, the reasoning (of including people outside of the o/a is something I respect, as you should as a so-called leftist) and "the imposition" (maybe having to think about your convo or, gasp, apologize if someone would prefer a more neutral term!) and you're acting like a bougie hipster yourself. Queer people are regular people too, we exist outside of your dipshit liberal acquaintances.

                  • hopefulmulberry [none/use name]
                    ·
                    4 years ago

                    Then why oh why do you think your opinion has any weight to a bunch of people you don’t even know about?!

                    I don't, I just posted a fucking poll. You guys are the ones making this about my personal beliefs.

                    Don’t care where it comes from, the reasoning (of including people outside of the o/a is something I respect, as you should as a so-called leftist) and “the imposition” (maybe having to think about your convo or, gasp, apologize if someone would prefer a more neutral term!) and you’re acting like a bougie hipster yourself. Queer people are regular people too, we exist outside of your dipshit liberal acquaintances.

                    If that's being a bougie hipster then 99% of the population is a bougie hispter. That can't be the case, so I'm by definition not a bougie hipster. Also I'm LGBT and I have LGBT friends, and they don't use this language either. Enbies might, but I don't know any.

      • eduardog3000 [he/him]
        1·
        4 years ago

        You think hispanics outside of anglo countries are using latinx more? They definitely aren't. The word only really works in English.

        • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
          8·
          4 years ago

          Progressive latinx are trying to make that stick, because most latinx people are awful to queer people and take every small change as outrageous.

          • eduardog3000 [he/him]
            2·
            4 years ago

            And they are completely disregarding the Spanish language in doing so. There are more sensible alternatives like "latine" or just "latin", but they decided to go with the one that isn't pronounceable in Spanish.

            • czechvault [he/him,doe/deer]
              2·
              4 years ago

              The spanish language isn't sacrosant dude, I think almost all (with the exception of latino=latin, amigo=amig, etc) are awkard, but I respect their use if it makes women/queer/nb people more included. God knows they're not right now.

              • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Again, you can be more inclusive without just throwing x everywhere. If you want to change a language, you have to make it pronounceable.

    • ComradeAndy [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      That says nothing, considering that it doesnt take into account the amount of people that use gender neutral language in spanish or english overall. People in latinamerica still dont use gender neutral language either.