So I got dumped in 2014. I discovered Bill Burr's You People Are All The Same standup routine, and for my broken hearted self then, it spoke to me. For those of you don't know, Burr jokes about women unable to have a rational argument, and using cheap debate tricks and emotional ploys to win arguments with men. Sorry, but the place I was in wasn't great. My thinking towards Burr in early 2015 was "OMG this guy is funny", late 2015 was "this is funny, but problematic", then in 2016 "OMG this guy is a fascist".
Another time I randomly found a dating app and profile on a girlfriend's phone when I was trying to connect her phone to the smart TV. There was a 45 minute space of time where I channeled all the hurt I ever felt in my past, and I started to think "yes all women are inherently selfish and deceitful". For that time, I was quite literally open to red-pill ideology. Thankfully I shook out of it. Having a support network to whinge about my pain helped too.
One bazillion percent, the dudes in my life have been worse than the women. Long term misogyny seems impossible.
Ofcourse they arent immune to criticism, but comedy and comedians should be treated as purely entertainment not as a source of ones beliefs or opinions. Kinda like the same way you can read a book without agreeing with the main characters actions, you should view comedians as characters because thats usually what they are considering on stage / off stage personalities are almost always different. Im not tryna defend “muh wimmens bad” or “muh gays bad” but if you start hating women cause some comedian said so there are larger issues at hand concerning media literacy.
Not everything comes down to personal responsibility bullshit. Talking about media literacy is a cop out when certain artists deliberately make their content appealing for a specific low brow audience.
It is one thing to occasionally make content that is interpreted a certain way, it happens not every artist can have that much control over how the social media is going to react on a daily basis.
But if someone is consistently making a certain type of content then it doesn't matter if they are a comedian or not. They know what they are doing and if they don't then they are part of the problem. Pretending it isn't their problem is just liberal bullshit belief that artists have no responsibility over what they create. Yeah maybe in a perfect world, but this isn't it.
Yea thats a good point, I've seen quite a few Bill Burr clips and there are definitely more than a couple which are very low brow / bordering chud behaviour, so it is more of a repeated situation with him.
Yea you make a good point I concede
Is what OP reported. Unless this is an attempt to caricature or critique a misogynist by pointing out how awful this sort of thinking is, nothing in the paragraph that you shat out is an adequate justification for Comedian A's behaviour as "comedy". Comedian A said something genuinely bigoted. You can't say blatantly hateful shit and then use the excuse that you're "just entertaining people by playing a character, nobody should take me seriously."
When you respond to that with:
You're just making excuses on behalf of the bullshit comic for his harmful behaviour and practically doing the whole rightoid snowflake schtick.
Furthermore I think you are the one facing issues with media literacy, especially after you made claims such as "comedians should be treated as purely entertainment not as a source of ones beliefs or opinions". Have you not heard about comedy as a form of subversive art? Do you not know about how a comic's biting wit can be used as a form of social critique? Of course not because:
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If watching a shitty comedy special turns you into a racist or a misogynist you have other much bigger problems lmao
If you wont see how unironically calling women as a group irrational and manipulative is not comedy then you are a liberal and a willful blithering idiot. Go back to 4chan.
Thank god comedians didn't have specials in the 30s and 40s otherwise they could've just used them as an excuse during the Nuremberg trials. :kyle: