And by the way the quotation goes…
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can I get some sources for it, haven't got finland on my shitlist properly yet
I don't have any real sources on hand. It was mostly finding out that the winter war wasn't just hte Soviets being big meanies. During the part of the Russian Civil War in Finland the Whites, along with about 10,000 Germans, slaughtered the Reds and took over the country. Eventualyl WWII comes around, Stalin's like "Hey, the Nazis are going to invade Leningrad. We need some land on this penninsula to set up defenses and we need you to take down your forts here. We'll trade you twice as much land in return. The Finnish government was going to agree with it then some of those White generals left over from the Russian Empire were like "Nah, fuck you and fuck your city." So Stalin was like "We weren't asking" and invaded Finland, took a buffer zone around Leningrad, and dismantled the Finnish forts. About a year later the Nazis invaded just like everyone involved knew they were going to, and the Finns were like "Yeah, sure, we'll go lay siege to Leningrad. I mean get our territory back." So they invaded the Soviet Union alongside the Nazis, killed about a million Soviet Civilians during the siege of Leningrad, then eventually got their asses kicked when things turned around on the Nazis.
So sweet, innocent Finland being invaded by the big bad Soviets is bullshit. It's like one eighth of the entire story, framed so the guys who collaborated with the Nazis look like the goodguys.
it's like 5 minutes into a boxing match, you take a picture of one dude punching, then run to the police/news claiming this dude randomly assaulted the other guy for no reason. Repeat forever. congrats, now you know how every Soviet Union event is described in the US.
Apparently their air force was the first euro military force to use the swastika back in the late 20s or early 30s
Because Herman Fucking Goering's brother in law gave them a plane! And they only stopped using it like last year.
When that poem comes up and liberals are around and they are using it try to try to generate a sort of lib version of solidarity - I like to point something out.
Niemoller was a Hitler supporter. He called Hitler an "instrument sent by god". But then they came for his church...
yes that is the entire point of the poem him regretting his actions
yes... him regretting his actions
The average person does not understand that at all. They think he's speaking for society and they don't know he was a Hitler supporter. Also - it's a super-lib poem. There's no mention of action. Only regret.
Yeah, "I did not speak out" is a hell of a lot different than "I cheered this along until it was my turn."
Him having been a Hitler supporter is what makes him representative of German society. Lots of people in 1930's Germany supported Hitler hence WW2 and the Holocaust
BTW, what this piece of shit brings up here, the claim that the nazis only copied the gulags, is a core concept in postwar nazi apologia. As if Germans would have needed a Soviet institution to copy. Germany already had built death camps when Hitler hadn't even applied to Vienna art school, camps that were not built for reeducation of reactionaries, but for the racist extermination of the Herero and Nama peoples in Namibia. The blueprint for the nazi crimes came from colonizers like von Trotha or Lettow-Vorbeeck, who joined the Freikorps during the Weimar years to apply his murder expertise in the fight against German leftist insurrections. There is a direct line leading from Germany's colonial crimes to the KZ system. German conservatives, even moderate ones, deny this to this day and have recently, in there usual fondness for disgusting lies, tried to paint all postcolonialism as "structurally antisemitc" and as "downplaying the holocaust" while they themselves routinely indulge in the grossest holocaust apologia such as equating the nazi regime with the DDR.
The British invented concentration camps during the Boer war
I recently read that the Spanish had concentration camps in the Amerikas before that, and even coined the term, but the British camps were the first in Africa and directly inspired the German camps in Namibia.
I would simply not use :reddit-logo: because it is always terrible like that
Some of our brave posters have to mine for content somewhere. I'm with you, but respect those who are still brave enough to set foot there.
Your kind is engaging in heavy Soviet apologism in your own way. You think that if you are different from the tankies then everything is OK. For reasonable people it isn't. You might call it "reformed" or whatever the fuck you call it, but your actions speak for itself. Soviet apologist scum you are and I am not impressed by your excuse of being less into it that those few Stalinists.
Damn, this mf said "tankie" 7 years ago
I'm no Soviet apologist, because I don't fucking apologize :shrug-outta-hecks:
Tankie has been used on Reddit for longer than that, but I remember it being mostly used by anarchists and leftcoms. Liberals started using it more during the 2015 primaries to separate Bernie "leftists" from the communists.
I just want "tankie" to start being a regularly used term on both Fox News and CNN.
Man, I just can't take open hostility. It bothers me that there is no universe where this person sees the world the way I do.
