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This one from yogthuos is also a banger
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Sigh, alright I guess I'll address the "concentration camps" nonsense in detail for you. The whole conspiracy theory started with a claim of millions of Uyghurs being supposedly imprisoned story is based on two highly dubious “studies.”.
However, this claim is completely absurd when you stop and think about it even for a minute. That figure 1 million is repeated again and again. Let's just look at how much space would you actually need to intern one million people.
This is a photo of Rikers Island, New York City's biggest prison. The actual size of a facility interning ten thousand people.
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According to Wikipedia, "The average daily inmate population on the island is about 10,000, although it can hold a maximum of 15,000." Let's assume this is a Xinjiang detention camp, holding ten to fifteen thousand people. How many of these would it take to hold one million people?
Let's do some math:
Rikers Size Rikers Prisoners One Million Uyghurs Size 413.2 acres (0.645 square miles) 10,000 to 15,000 43 to 64 square miles In reality, one million people would probably take more space; all the supposed detention camps we see are much less dense than Rikers.
For comparison, San Francisco is 47 square miles. Amsterdam is 64 square miles. You'd literally need detention camps that total the size of San Francisco or Amsterdam to intern one million Uyghurs. It'd be like looking at a map of California. There's Los Angeles. There's San Diego. And look, there's San Francisco Concentration City with its one million Uyghurs.
Literally visible to the naked eye from space.
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CHRD states that it interviewed dozens of ethnic Uyghurs in the course of its study, but their enormous estimate was ultimately based on interviews with exactly eight Uyghur individuals. Based on this absurdly small sample of research subjects in an area whose total population is 20 million, CHRD “extrapolated estimates” that “at least 10% of villagers […] are being detained in re-education detention camps, and 20% are being forced to attend day/evening re-education camps in the villages or townships, totaling 30% in both types of camps.” Furthermore, it doesn't even make sense from logistics perspective.
Practically all the stories we see about China trace back to Adrian Zenz is a far right fundamentalist nutcase and not a reliable source for any sort of information. The fact that he's the primary source for practically every article in western media demonstrates precisely what I'm talking about when I say that coverage is divorced from reality.
Zenz is a born-again Christian who lectures at the European School of Culture and Theology. This anodyne-sounding campus is actually the German base of Columbia International University, a US-based evangelical Christian seminary which considers the “Bible to be the ultimate foundation and the final truth in every aspect of our lives,” and whose mission is to “educate people from a biblical worldview to impact the nations with the message of Christ.”
Zenz’s work on China is inspired by this biblical worldview, as he recently explained in an interview with the Wall Street Journal. “I feel very clearly led by God to do this,” he said. “I can put it that way. I’m not afraid to say that. With Xinjiang, things really changed. It became like a mission, or a ministry.”.
Along with his “mission” against China, heavenly guidance has apparently prompted Zenz to denounce homosexuality, gender equality, and the banning of physical punishment against children as threats to Christianity.
Zenz outlined these views in a book he co-authored in 2012, titled Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation. In the tome, Zenz discussed the return of Jesus Christ, the coming wrath of God, and the rise of the Antichrist.
The fact that this nutcase is being paraded as a credible researcher on the subject is absolutely surreal, and it's clear that the methodology of his "research" doesn't pass any kind of muster when examined closely.
It's also worth noting that there is a political angle around the narrative around Xinjiang. For example, here's George Bush's chief of staff openly saying that US wants to destabilize the region, and NED recently admitting to funding Uyghur separatism for the past 16 years on their own official Twitter page. An ex-CIA operative details US operations radicalizing and training terrorists in the region in this book. Here's an excerpt:
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US has been stoking terrorism in the region while they've been running a propaganda campaign against China in the west. In fact, US even classified Uyghur separatists as a terrorist group at one point https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-was-at-war-uyghur-terrorists-now-claims-etim-doesnt-exist/276916/
Here's an interview with a son of imam killed in Xinjiang https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-19/Son-of-imam-assassinated-in-Kashgar-s-2014-mosque-attack-speaks-out-RqNiyrcRuo/index.html
Here's an account from a Pakistani journalist who has been all over Xinjiang (which borders Pakistan) claims that western media reports on "atrocities" are lies. https://dailytimes.com.pk/723317/exposing-the-occidents-baseless-lies-about-xinjiang/
It's also worth noting that the accusations originate entirely from the west while Muslim majority countries support China, and their leaders have visited Xinjiang many times.
- https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/on-eid-xinjiang-imams-defend-china-against-u-s-criticism-1.5425967
- https://www.bolnews.com/latest/2023/07/pak-religious-leaders-nurture-bonds-of-cooperation-with-xinjiang/
- https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/islamic-envoys-say-china-is-protecting-minorities-in-xinjiang-after-five-day-visit
Also notable that whenever western media actually deigns to visit Xinjiang, which is not often, they're unable to produce support for any of their claims of mass imprisonment and oppression, so they opt for insinuations instead https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china-health-travel-7a6967f335f97ca868cc618ea84b98b9
There's a further list of debunking here if you're interested https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/
The whole thing is very clearly a propaganda blitz that US is cynically using to manipulate impressionable people in the west.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
You could ask that for any of them, I didn't see a single post that looked even remotely harmful
here was Zenz' bad math — it's so egregious it had to be deliberate:
- His claim was that 80% of net IUDs in China were applied in Xinjiang.
- "Net IUDs" means "IUDs put in minus IUDs taken out"
- That number can be zero or negative, and it approaches zero at equilibrium
- Dividing Xinjiang's net number by China's net number does not give you a valid percent. The number is meaningless, it could be negative or even a division by zero.
- Putting a percent symbol next to that quantity was almost certainly deliberate fraud. I can't see how you would sit down to do these calculations and not realize the problem
It makes sense that Xinjiang's net number of IUD placements was higher than China's average, because the net rate per capita is going to be much higher in a developing region than in developed region where people have had IUD access for decades and the net rate is approaching equilibrium. Zenz twisted the numbers to make it seem like an astronomical number of IUDs were being applied in Xinjiang.
I specifically remember walking a liberal through the math on Reddit once and he literally could not fathom it. It short-circuited his brain, the idea that the BBC would repeat impossible math to shit-talk China simply could not be true, he was getting desperate. He was so confident that the math was correct that he was talking to me like I was a dogbrained 4 year old that couldn't understand basic addition or something lmao. I'm like rubbing his face into the chalkboard going "If Henan has 69% of new IUD insertions using this same formula, how could Xinjiang have 80% as well? Two regions alone account for over 100% of new IUD insertions?" and he's screeching IT'S REAL IT'S REAL
That's one of my better works. Its no "pee pee poo poo FART!" But that just comes down to taste.
one correction.... the religious extremism didnt sneak in just from the taliban and such but rather the us government spent 100s of millions in actively going in there to train them to be terrorists and such
id have to dig super hard but there is a wikipedia page about the money spent to radicalize muslims in china its been so long since i referenced it
I love opening this thread and seeing the immediate post they are complaining about is the one where I asked for the use of racist slang to end in the linux de customization comm.
I asked for the use of racist slang
Oh wow, hexbear confirmed racist (Russian troll farm) (Red fascist) (Fake trans) (China bad)
all-time post, you did a lot to clean that cryptofash vector up
The lone downvote on every single comment gets me every time.
Trade offer: My Tommy White Ranger Slammer for your Tommy Green Ranger Slammer.
This is all just post-hoc rationalization. .world defederated from us before we were federated with effectively anybody at all, then they get a bunch of very weak screenshots to say "look they're all meanies", as if you couldn't get the same weak-ass verbiage from any instance.
EDIT: Oooh, there's room for a rebuttal. Can a siteadmin go over there and claim hexbear.net. Then we can have a thread vote on precisely how to rebut with something equally unserious.
its already claimed, we could give a censor to lemmy world about how they are hate speech friendly with evidence from our dunk tank posts on them
.world defederated from us before we were federated with effectively anybody at all
Not just effectively anybody. Literally anybody, wasn't it? They defederated from us after we had our site update to enable the federation function but before we actually federated with anyone.
Was this compiled by the .worlder if so that is extremely pathetic, and also deeply unserious.
he complied it himself .. tho that demands some respect..
No it does not, it shows what a loser they are. They can’t just let something go, no, they must waste their time alive and make themself infuriated over an internet forum that NOBODY even knows, much less cares about. When you think about it like that it really becomes clear how pitiable this behavior is.
@randint@feddit.nl <-- imagine the libery of statements towards his own idiocy that he has .. I am sure its an Iceberg..
i love how all of them have 1 downvote from the screenshot taker
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(the huge 42 is a GIF emoji that shows the dreaded pig emoji when the countdown ends)
I've never stuck around enough to see the end of the countdown, so this is news to me
You only dread it if you're a lib/chud. Good people have nothing to worry about.
China, or Tawain
This is literally what Chiang Kai-Shek believed and the on paper stance of the Obama regime
Y'all are better off tbh. That place regularly spikes my blood pressure.
The funniest part about this is, they preemptively added us to their list of blocked instances before we were federated with anything.
I masochistically go there to try to teach the radlibs to read theory, but it truly frustrates me sometimes.
Why are radlibs so impossible to get through to? I have a close friend who is like this, he's always so close to getting it (he has been great on Palestine to his credit) but always reverts back to NY Times brain and Democratic party shit.
In my opinion, it's Idealism vs Materialism. They see terrible injustice, and try to make sense of everything from their own framework as they believe things should be.
It very much is idealism. Liberalism is all about believing that if we want things to change hard enough, they will, and if we perform the rituals of liberalism (voting) then change will manifest. Unbelievers, who believe action causes change, rather than belief, are shunned and henpecked back into line.
They suffer from incuriosity and arrogance. They read 1/4 of a book about something once and now believe that entitles them to an intransigent opinion on a topic they absolutely don't understand at all. Not only does it entitle them, that's the only thing they're going to spend their time on: sharing and defending their wrong opinion, to the death.
At a fundamental level this is a learned behavior for what counts as discourse and it's one that ties one's own sense of identity and value to "having and sharing opinions" even when unearned. You will find this behavior among most people in the United States. Commies tend to be one exception because they have to read a lot to validly claim that name and because they can't simply absorb their opinions from the mainstream lib sources that, say, radlibs do, and must instead critically engage with media in order to maintain their positions.
The only solution is humility and education. Humility usually comes from something shaking up their worldview. Something personal or dramatic. Rarely from nicely talking to them in the marketplace of ideas. Sometimes from good dunks.
🎤Nothin propa 'boutcha "propoganda" refusin' rules that spellcheck commands ya🎶
notes on hexbear from lemmy.myserv.one:
- admin started off on the wrong foot but then attempted to improve image and become more fediverse friendly. deserves a second chance if maintains good behaviour
- trying to not cause trouble.
- chaotic neutral alignment
sincerely cannot imagine how one could read these comments and think any of them are problems
Also like 80% of them are part of a single thread of dunks on a bozo who came to concern troll about the Uyghur genocide. "the hexbears were mean to one person" isn't proof of anything they mean to put on us.
"grrr these fucking people with their leather jackets and make-out parties!"
I submit in evidence your honour exhibit A proving definitively once and for all that Hexbear is a pretty cool dude
i'm not on the list of defed whining
