yeah they were modified from inscrutable racist caricature orientalist aliens to basically space vikings with some asian aesthetics. this transition occurred after their "berlin wall" so in universe it can be seen as a cultural shift or maybe a restoration of ye olde ways but then there's genetic engineering and some virus and it gets really convoluted.
not sure how much Rodenberry, who was a Maoist, saw them originally as USSR allegory
Do you mean the first star trek series, or am I forgetting some trek? Either way, they're kinda the soviet union but not in any meaningful way, just a powerful adversary with a different culture. They get more.themes of honor worked into their culture in Next generation onwards. Most of the groups are on a gradient of Soviet Union to nazis, sometimes more coherent, sometimes less
Sorry, I meant The Original Series (TOS) not Star Trek Online (STO).
BTW, STO has some cool voice acting including some new stuff with Wil Wheaton. Including I believe the last voice acting by Nimoy in the tutorial for STO.
Yeah the first Predator was a shithead and "Took his ball and went home" at the end. I did like the "You fought with honor" ending in 2. The Predator having a pistol that was hundreds of years old instantly expands the world of the setting in really interesting ways. How long have they been coming to Earth? How long have they been hunting us?
Subsequent Predator media entries should have run with the Predators being douchebag, hyper-masculine soldiers who do big game hunting on primitive planets, instead of Klingonifying them.
They do to an extent. One of the metaplots in Predators is a conflict between the traditional hunter predators from previous movies and some roided up, 10 foot tall super-predators. The two factions are apparently having some kind of ethnic conflict with teh roid rager predators coming out on top.
The "Honorable Foe" thing shows up a few different ways in the movies. In the first AvP movie the Final Girl manages to solo kill an Alien during the Predator's right of passage hunt in an ancient Predator temple in Antarctica. The Predator decides that this basically makes her a blooded hunter too, so they team up together to try to find the alien queen. It's got a very game respects game feel.
This is the exact reason I vote for Aliens. They are just intelligent animals going about existing. Predators are just the "shitty rich trophy hunters" of space.
They have invented falgsc. True their eternity is chauvinist at times. However they do kill cops, soldiers, and other monsters. While they do take trophies of large game we can only assume there is also large scale conservation attempt going on beside that. They have constructed a dialectic system to combat liberalism. Why hunt monsters? To gain the perspective that prevents them from regressing into space liberalism. Somebody comes up and tries to abscond with your surplus value, we let it happen. They have mastered the combi stick and simply do not.
Predators are just space bourgeoisie doing big game hunter chuddery across the galaxy. Change my mind. :theory-gary:
ummm actually they're a proud warrior race tribe thingy that does stuff pushes up glasses
yeah they really Klingonified them as the movies went on. started with predator 2 and the "you fought with honor here's a cool musket" ending scene.
What does this word mean? Thanks.
making them like the Klingons from star trek. warrior honor aliens like Lt. worf
Klingons were supposed to to be the USSR in STO right?
yeah they were modified from inscrutable racist caricature orientalist aliens to basically space vikings with some asian aesthetics. this transition occurred after their "berlin wall" so in universe it can be seen as a cultural shift or maybe a restoration of ye olde ways but then there's genetic engineering and some virus and it gets really convoluted.
not sure how much Rodenberry, who was a Maoist, saw them originally as USSR allegory
Do you mean the first star trek series, or am I forgetting some trek? Either way, they're kinda the soviet union but not in any meaningful way, just a powerful adversary with a different culture. They get more.themes of honor worked into their culture in Next generation onwards. Most of the groups are on a gradient of Soviet Union to nazis, sometimes more coherent, sometimes less
Sorry, I meant The Original Series (TOS) not Star Trek Online (STO).
BTW, STO has some cool voice acting including some new stuff with Wil Wheaton. Including I believe the last voice acting by Nimoy in the tutorial for STO.
Yeah the first Predator was a shithead and "Took his ball and went home" at the end. I did like the "You fought with honor" ending in 2. The Predator having a pistol that was hundreds of years old instantly expands the world of the setting in really interesting ways. How long have they been coming to Earth? How long have they been hunting us?
Subsequent Predator media entries should have run with the Predators being douchebag, hyper-masculine soldiers who do big game hunting on primitive planets, instead of Klingonifying them.
They do to an extent. One of the metaplots in Predators is a conflict between the traditional hunter predators from previous movies and some roided up, 10 foot tall super-predators. The two factions are apparently having some kind of ethnic conflict with teh roid rager predators coming out on top.
The "Honorable Foe" thing shows up a few different ways in the movies. In the first AvP movie the Final Girl manages to solo kill an Alien during the Predator's right of passage hunt in an ancient Predator temple in Antarctica. The Predator decides that this basically makes her a blooded hunter too, so they team up together to try to find the alien queen. It's got a very game respects game feel.
This is the exact reason I vote for Aliens. They are just intelligent animals going about existing. Predators are just the "shitty rich trophy hunters" of space.
They have invented falgsc. True their eternity is chauvinist at times. However they do kill cops, soldiers, and other monsters. While they do take trophies of large game we can only assume there is also large scale conservation attempt going on beside that. They have constructed a dialectic system to combat liberalism. Why hunt monsters? To gain the perspective that prevents them from regressing into space liberalism. Somebody comes up and tries to abscond with your surplus value, we let it happen. They have mastered the combi stick and simply do not.
In their defense; Predator is a CIA wetworks team versus an Alien hunter. So who is really to say who the good guy is?