To add, Israel doesn't allow same sex marriage, but may recognise it if it's done overseas.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_same-sex_unions_in_Israel
The weird prohibitions on certain religions intermarrying is fucked and I can't get over how that isn't all over Western news.
One of the arch-zionists I know is married to someone who would have been illegal to marry had they actually lived in Israel. Not even an LGBT thing either. Race and religion.
Damn I literally was just about to post this. Thank you comrade :fidel-salute:
Israel doesn’t even have civil unions.
For anyone, straight or gay. Religious marriages only.
Giving Turkey a pass when they're in practice rapidly moving towards the "anti-propaganda law" stage also smells fishy. The LGBT scene there is under constant attack by Erdogan, going to Pride in Istanbul effectively means getting beaten by cops now. This map has a very clear bias in how it pretends that Israel is not discriminating against gay people on religious grounds, downplays the persecution in Turkey and treats the persecution in Saudi-Arabia differently than that in Iran even though they are at least comparably bad, if Saudi-Arabia isn't worse.
Strictly speaking, things are a tiny bit more complicated in Iran, though not much better. The legal proscription is on homosexuality. Legally, gender transition to a binary identity is permitted. although gated behind medical approval that is very hard to get and a regressive requirement of reassignment surgery. In practice, trans women are treated with disgust and discrimination, while trans men are treated somewhat better. This reflects a sadly normal pairing of transphobia and patriarchy. Additionally, some gay people have been pressured to transition in order to avoid legal persecution, although generally that isn't an option.
Man, I thought only slightly better of Iran. I knew Iran was "not woke" on these subjects, but still, being behind Saudi Arabia?
i don't put any of this past a theocratic clerical regime that came to power after purging the communists who did all the heavy lifting in the revolution against the shah, but I will also say it is always worth investigating these maps, who made them, whether the information is accurate, what the possible motivations and conflicts of interest are in presenting the information this way, and so on. The exaggeration of how good Israel is about LGBT rights, which @ButtBidet pointed out in his post in this thread, is suspect, to say the least.
it is always worth investigating these maps
thats why my lazy ass posted it to chapo in the first place
This map is misleading, while the Middle East isn’t exactly the bastion of LGBT rights the situation is far from what the Islamophobic western media would tell you. Iran has better trans rights than the United States in some areas. Trans women are financially supported by the public healthcare system and have the protection from the government, trans women are seen as actual women in Iran and while the cis homosexuals may face severe discrimination the trans girls are doing all right which is honestly a nice reversal from the norm in western countries.
the trans girls are doing all right which is honestly a nice reversal from the norm in western countries.
This is probably taking it a little far. Many trans people are not straight and may not fit neatly into a strict, patriarchal, binary gender role, and there's also discrimination/violence outside the law to consider. It's an interesting little quirk that Iran has a provision to allow trans people to exist under certain stipulations, but I don't think it's accurate to say that trans women are doing alright compared to Western countries. Women in general aren't really doing alright in Iran.
It's the inherent problem behind rolling all LGBT rights into a simple color coded map. Like imagine making a map of the US for "women's rights" and trying to color code states where abortion is legal/available if you travel/illegal/has criminal penalties. Then try to add colors for availability of childcare (free/subsidized/paid), maternity leave (how many weeks/upaid/paid/none), etc etc. It'd be an absolute shitshow of unreadable colors or terribly misleading depending on criteria chosen.
It’s the inherent problem behind rolling all LGBT rights into a simple color coded map.
Absolutely. What does it mean if being gay is illegal? Does that mean what goes on behind closed doors is off-limits or does that mean secret police are actively hunting people on dating apps? That's a massive difference and it is relevant to that part of the world, as the latter is a thing in places like Qatar, but a lot of the other places are at least a bit more laid back about this even though they have the same color on the map.
The sad thing is that this isn't too different from what the Caribbean looks like.
As far as i know no one has been executed for being gey in iran. Mostly because its practicaly imposible to acuse someone off being gey in iranian law. Unless you rape someone. This is the case for most prople the west claims were execuuted for being gey. They raped a young boy. There was one woman who was a human trafiker(kidnaping girls) tho yet the western news claimed she was killed for being gey.
Actually no because iniranian law cases like this are only prosecuted up to the death penalty when there is a victim who complaints and refuses a settlment. These are actual rapists some of who happen to be gey.
Africa is also pretty bad...
34 countries where homosexuality is illegal. Also some countries with the death penalty.
iirc quite recently Angola and Mozambique have legalized homosexuality and with some anti-discrimination laws. I think as time goes on, most of Africa will follow South America's example and push for more lgbtq+ rights
Yeah further south, sure. South Africa, on paper, has very good LGBT rights. Botswana also recently legalised gay marriage. I just don't see Gambia and Nigeria changing anytime soon unfortunately. Nigeria just had a new law to ban "crossdressing", as a blatant anti transgender law.
