EDIT: sorry for being absent in the thread, i mostly go on here when im doing time theft :soviet-playful: bc im spending most my time w gf. i like responding to most comments on threads tho
i think the state of the far right in amerika is really interesting and currently at a point of divergence.
there are 4 separate camps that are becoming increasingly hostile to each other. just like in highlander, there can only be one. one party will emerge as the voice of amerikan fascism and will direct the feral hogs in counterrevolution
the first camp is the institutional Republicans. these guys will stick to the neoliberal consensus, and they know they need the Dems as controlled opposition. they still want fascism, they just want to bring it about piecewise, drop by drop. they use dogwhistles and expertly use propaganda. Turtle Mitch, Ron DeSanctimonious, and Tom Cotton are great examples, wolves in sheeps clothing, they are "acceptable" in the eyes of Dems
then out of the ashes of the Tea Party came the trump camp. this camp attracted the republican base-- petit bourgs and reactionary labor aristocrats. now the institutional republicans have a hard time accomplishing anything without the approval of the trump camp. there are now a ton of trump sycophants currently in congress. they go more mask-off with their rhetoric but they still retain some of their "plausible" deniability.
then there are the elonheads. techbros and techbro wannabes who believe in the "technocracy". they think :my-hero: is the most special boy who invented online money management, electric vehicles, and space travel. they think all social ails can be solved like an efficiency problem, blind to the barriers posed by capitalism. in their quest for "efficiency" they will tighten the contradictions and probably plummet us into fascism faster than the two aforementioned camps. the melonheads have always been distinct from the trump camp due to geography (trump popular in rural areas and elon more popular on the coasts) and political differences (some elonheads associate with Dems more than Repubs; still fascist tho). BUT, these camps have diverged more sharply after feuding between :melon-musk: and the :cheeto-man: himself. they go mask-off like the trumpeters but in a different way, opting to focus more directly on class (melt-the-poor type shit); we know that all the right wing (dems included) hate the poor but none are so brash about it
now the Yeezus camp is arising, and its hard to differentiate this camp from the other three and thats what i think make it uniquely dangerous. it seems like the yeezy/trump friendship is weaker than its ever been and musk is censoring Ye, BUT YE IS GOING MORE MASK-OFF THAN ANY OF THEM. and this will inevitably attract the nazis. and all 4 of these camps NEED the nazis to do their dirty work. the german fascists needed the freikorps and the brownshirts to enable fascism to grow. now all these freaks who rallied around trump in 2015 will support Ye and, just like in 2015, bring massive attention to the fascist movement.
at this point the institutional Republicans have lost a lot of popularity and support among the far right. im sure there are more democrat voters who like mike pence than republican voters. if Ye, trump, and musk can coordinate better they will be the new republican party and they will be scarily popular (remember how the GOP was dying before trump, and remember that they dont need a majority of amerikans, they dont even need a majority of the voters, just enough to win the dumb electoral game)
ik my analysis is kinda disjointed, i mostly want to hear ur guys thoughts on the far right and more perspectives on the current situation
It's going to be a wild and horrifying ride to see just how far Kanye is going to go. He's quickly running up against a wall where he has to come out as an open neo-nazi at this point. After denying the holocaust and saying you like Hitler, you really can't sneak back to doing dog whistles. My pet theory though is that people are going to try and distance themselves from him save for his inner-circle and the true believer groypers online. Republicans love fascism but really hate it when their own take it too far and start singing the third reich's praises, their game is to paint democrats as the real nazis while hiding behind a wink-wink nudge-nudge facade.
Yeah Kanye is going to get exiled and ostracized for breaking kayfabe. Kanye is not some scheming genius, he’s lost his marbles and he’s breaking the narrative facade that Antifa are the real fascists and all that. Even Alex Jones tries to reel him back in and give him softball questions about how the left are the real Nazis, and Kanye is just like “no actually Nazis are good and cool”
It's pretty obvious that he's in a manic state and mentally unwell. I just hope that doesn't paper over what he's said, as I can see liberals being all like "he's unwell, he doesn't know what he's saying!". Plenty of people have had breakdowns that didn't result in them becoming fascists. But otherwise yeah he's breaking the right's narrative that antifa are the real fascists and it's not going to bode well for him. I can't see anyone outside of hardcore kekistani frenworld types buying into Kanye, he's too extreme now for the mainstream conservative right.
they said the same about trump tho. ik hes going further than trump did but i dont think its healthy to underestimated the unruliness of the hogs
but i mostly agree. no way Ye has a path to the presidency or anything. but he might bring a new wave of popularity to fascism
"...a new wave of popularity to fascism" Is it possible to be a fascist ironically? Does Nazism gain or lose power by becoming a fashion statement?
It's been the Epic G!mer and chanlord mask attempt for decades now.
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irony is the best mask for fascism. a large number of amerikans are liberals, and can be scratched into fascists. ye supporting fascism makes the fascists bolder. and fascism will spread to petit bourgs and labor aristocrat STEMlords, some arent contaminated yet.
Kanye is already being alienated from these spaces. He willingly left the tim pool web show or whatever, but Elon Musk has banned him too. Thing is, the cultural myth that partly sustains american fascism domestically and abroad is that they beat the nazis in the second world war, this is how they get to justify how democrats are nazis actually, because american nationalism is symbolically opposed to nazism (its enemies are by extension nazis too). so this brand of fascism can't easily absorb nazism as readily as some people would like to believe, they would lose the ideological substance that makes america exceptional, so for now, Kanye must and probably will go.
I don't know where this might end up though, either the whole world really falls down into a hole of neonazism, or the US seeps into nazism quickly enough so that it loses its luster abroad and is transparently revealed as a monster, which kinda did happen with trump a little bit, we'll see how he'll fare on his second try.
edit: my guess is that trump will distance himself from Kanye and Fuentes but he will be rather non-chalant about it. I do think that embracing outward nazism will alienate a significant portion of his voter base. He may be able to shoot a man in the street and not lose any points on the polls, but I don't think him giving a hitler salute may be as welcome.
good point, ye could still pull the brakes at this point. just 6 months on the dogwhistle diet will have ye as VP. maybe an exaggeration but that kind of "rehabilitation" happens all the time in the right.
US is fucked Death to Amerika
I would argue the only way forward for Kanye at this point is to fully embrace facism. No idea how successful that would be for him in the political arena (for the sake of the Americans I hope it would fail). With all that said Im sure he could earn some bucks selling not just right wing but facist talking points to an audience.
Already has, as I see it.
Part of why I don't humor the pretentious "Ye" title that supposedly applies when he wears his pretentious mask to heil Hitler a little more directly than usual is because when I see "based Ye" talked about in the internet wild it's almost always Epic G!mer fascists that are as happy as pigs in shit about having a black man saying nazi shit that they can concern troll about if you call him out. "I thought you wokes liked blacks!" :so-true:
Yeah I don't discriminate, all nazis get the bullet