EDIT: sorry for being absent in the thread, i mostly go on here when im doing time theft :soviet-playful: bc im spending most my time w gf. i like responding to most comments on threads tho


i think the state of the far right in amerika is really interesting and currently at a point of divergence.

there are 4 separate camps that are becoming increasingly hostile to each other. just like in highlander, there can only be one. one party will emerge as the voice of amerikan fascism and will direct the feral hogs in counterrevolution

the first camp is the institutional Republicans. these guys will stick to the neoliberal consensus, and they know they need the Dems as controlled opposition. they still want fascism, they just want to bring it about piecewise, drop by drop. they use dogwhistles and expertly use propaganda. Turtle Mitch, Ron DeSanctimonious, and Tom Cotton are great examples, wolves in sheeps clothing, they are "acceptable" in the eyes of Dems

then out of the ashes of the Tea Party came the trump camp. this camp attracted the republican base-- petit bourgs and reactionary labor aristocrats. now the institutional republicans have a hard time accomplishing anything without the approval of the trump camp. there are now a ton of trump sycophants currently in congress. they go more mask-off with their rhetoric but they still retain some of their "plausible" deniability.

then there are the elonheads. techbros and techbro wannabes who believe in the "technocracy". they think :my-hero: is the most special boy who invented online money management, electric vehicles, and space travel. they think all social ails can be solved like an efficiency problem, blind to the barriers posed by capitalism. in their quest for "efficiency" they will tighten the contradictions and probably plummet us into fascism faster than the two aforementioned camps. the melonheads have always been distinct from the trump camp due to geography (trump popular in rural areas and elon more popular on the coasts) and political differences (some elonheads associate with Dems more than Repubs; still fascist tho). BUT, these camps have diverged more sharply after feuding between :melon-musk: and the :cheeto-man: himself. they go mask-off like the trumpeters but in a different way, opting to focus more directly on class (melt-the-poor type shit); we know that all the right wing (dems included) hate the poor but none are so brash about it

now the Yeezus camp is arising, and its hard to differentiate this camp from the other three and thats what i think make it uniquely dangerous. it seems like the yeezy/trump friendship is weaker than its ever been and musk is censoring Ye, BUT YE IS GOING MORE MASK-OFF THAN ANY OF THEM. and this will inevitably attract the nazis. and all 4 of these camps NEED the nazis to do their dirty work. the german fascists needed the freikorps and the brownshirts to enable fascism to grow. now all these freaks who rallied around trump in 2015 will support Ye and, just like in 2015, bring massive attention to the fascist movement.

at this point the institutional Republicans have lost a lot of popularity and support among the far right. im sure there are more democrat voters who like mike pence than republican voters. if Ye, trump, and musk can coordinate better they will be the new republican party and they will be scarily popular (remember how the GOP was dying before trump, and remember that they dont need a majority of amerikans, they dont even need a majority of the voters, just enough to win the dumb electoral game)

ik my analysis is kinda disjointed, i mostly want to hear ur guys thoughts on the far right and more perspectives on the current situation

  • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    I really like your post but...

    there are more democrat voters who like mike pence than republican voters.

    I have no idea what polling indicates so maybe I'm all wrong. But I assume if democrats were asked about his favorability rating - then something like 15% of them would say they are mildly in favor of him. There are are always going to be West Wing libs who have tautology brain. It makes no sense but they think because he was vice president - he's still worthy of support because he vice president.

    there are 4 separate camps

    This reminds me I have to change how I think about the GOP. I hate them so much that even though I know it's all wrong - I end up thinking of them as a collective. Like the Borg or something. I always end up thinking of them in a big continuous pile of shit. It's hard for me to think of them in camps. But that's realty.

    Ye, trump, and musk can coordinate better they will be the new republican party and they will be scarily popular

    That's a scary thought. But Trump's candidacy announcement was shockingly super-low energy. His heart clearly wasn't in it. Of course - it was just one day - but his charisma is his magic. I rated 2/10 stars with 10 stars being Trump at his best. I guess his best would be 2016 debate Trump. He was a steamroller.

    It's a Grand Canyon-sized "if" but if he can't get at least some of his mojo back - his support could start to fade. But if he can maintain a 5/10 - that's probably good enough. Whatever happens - it's Trump's nomination to lose.

    • ZoomeristLeninist [comrade/them, she/her]
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      2 years ago

      yeah i was kinda doubting myself abt the dems liking mike pence thing, but it was mostly to make the point that the republican base will support trump over the blanket GOP

      i agree, trump was just playing the old hits and he needs something new to invigorate his base. he might be staying away from musk and Ye bc hes afraid of their controversy, but thats such a big mistake since his base would LOVE a unified conservative front. who knows tho. maybe biden dies and we get another 4 years of drip fed fascism from a different democrat instead of being drowned in it by an unrestricted GOP

      • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        trump was just playing the old hits and he needs something new to invigorate his base.

        I meant more that it was clear he didn't give a shit and he didn't want to be there. The lack of "hooks" and "riffs" was a problem but even greater than that was is lifelessness. During his speech - members of the audience weren't allowed to leave. Staff kept the doors closed and locked.

        maybe biden dies and we get another 4 years of drip fed fascism from a different democrat instead of being drowned in it by an unrestricted GOP

        The future certainly could be even more insane than now. Trump's 2016 win broke reality in America. If Biden shuffles off this mortal coil - I can imagine a "law and order" democrat becoming very popular to "counter" the GOP. And the dems 100% do not want Kamala. The public just doesn't like her and I think she's not the sort of person that can change her POV or her manner. She is who she is.

        If she got the nomination - she'd lose and drag the entire party down into the murky depths with her. But I wonder how palatable to the public she'd be if she was on something every day. Edibles? Could something like that work for her?

        • ZoomeristLeninist [comrade/them, she/her]
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          2 years ago

          bernie would give them the best chance but we all know the DNC doesnt want that. yeah theyll put another standard neoliberal up and trump will knock them down :doomer:

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        but thats such a big mistake since his base would LOVE a unified conservative front

        I would love a unified leftist front that is wide enough to let in demsocs and succdems, but fortunately for us the chuds seem just as likely to slapfight one another as Hexbear is to have struggle sessions of its own, including the controversy regarding whether to let in demsocs and succdems.

        • ZoomeristLeninist [comrade/them, she/her]
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          2 years ago

          i mean the sectarianism here isnt too toxic. there is some bullying sometimes but i think those are isolated events. correcting reactionary attitudes isnt bullying, to not do so is a form of liberalism

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I always end up thinking of them in a big continuous pile of shit. It’s hard for me to think of them in camps. But that’s realty.

      They're only united by hatred and cravings for power. That's a pretty sloppy glue.